Where the S won't HTF?

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Hhhmmmmmmmm, very interesting, Lee!

Stock up on food, watrer, ammo, and med supplies. Get to know your neighbors. Mine should have a good suply of beef and beer. Not sure he'll share the beer.

Stay safe.
Bob
 
Maybe another way to "skin the cat" is to think about what your criteria would be and then start to narrow the field. For me it would be something like this:

A county seat with a few thousand people
A hospital
A power generating station with local fuel (hydro power, mine-mouth coal plant, etc.)
An adequate water supply not dependant upon pumping
Diverse agriculture, including a farmer's market during the summer with a fair amount of organic produce (i.e. there are folks in the area running small farms who know how to farm without the "help" of agri-business)
A community college, a small private liberal arts college, or land grant college/univ.
 
I live in in a small town in NW WI. I keep trying to come up with disasters that could be labeled as SHTF. The best I can come up with would be a very large tornado, an earth quake, or nuclear explosion. The thing with a tornado is they tend to cut a very small swath of ground. If we ever have an earth quake here in the Midwest it is going be very bad. I don't think our homes are contructed for that kind of catastrophe. I can't even begin to imagine how bad a nuclear explosion would be.
 
A buddy just bought 5 acres in Llano Texas. Small, small town, River 300 yds from property, well water, 45 minutes from Austin. Took a ride out there last month to look at it.

Out in the middle of nowhere it seems in the hill country. There were some nice exotic game ranches on the way to his property.

I think that would be a good place, far enough away from the city.
 
SE West Virginia is nice. Ice storm had the power off for 4 days about 5 or 6 yrs ago. House is 200 yds from where ski resort accesses US highway so they bring the snow cats out to keep the 1 mile to interstate open. Never really been snowed-in. No floods, no hurricanes, I can out-fart the once-every-twenty-year tornadoes.

Maybe another way to "skin the cat" is to think about what your criteria would be and then start to narrow the field. For me it would be something like this:

As soon as the coal-waste generation plant gets going, Greenbrier Co. will fit both bills.
 
Antibubba -
The short answer is "many." :D
The long answer is that I always come back to earth and have to consider what would work for my family. We love Seattle for all its "faults" and more. My wife is a native Montanan and Helena probably tops our list of plcaes we would consider. I'm a former Army brat but mostly grew up in Tucson, AZ and would not want to live in the desert if all went to heck.

Here's another way of thinking about it - what medium sized towns or small cities were thriving 100 years ago and meet my criteria?

In such places the local community could probably "gear down." Re-trench canals for crop irrigation, crop oils for diesel combustion, maintain at least partial electric service, a rule of law, basic health care (1930s era in the worst case) and a secondary/higher education system to keep everything working.
 
"(PS, Wyoming is a pretty good bet. But there's no life there...)"



That's right, no life, no fun, no crime, (OK, very little) and few things close enough to cause trouble if things became difficult.

You'd be more likely to be mugged by a bear than by a person. I find it interesting to be in the mountains an hour and a half drive from home and be as likely to see someone I know as not.


About all the natural disaters we have to be concerned with here would be earthquake, (rare, nobody I know has ever felt one here) or Yellowstone volcanic activity. The version depends on the source of info, but if we had a noticable increase in earthquake activity I would relocate for awhile.
 
If SHTF is a man made event, it's going to be concentrated mainly in and around the large metropolitan areas:

New York, Washington DC, Chicago, Los Angeles, Philadelphia, etc.

Fortunately I don't live near any of the big cities, and the city I do live near is 15-20 miles to the east. That's close enough.

Upstate NY Averages:

0 hurricanes, 0 tsunamis, 0 forest fires, 1 tornado (f1 or f2) per 10 years, 1 earthquake (minor tremor) per 10 years, 1 major snowstorm every per 2-3 years, 1 blizzard per 5-10 years, 1 ice storm per 5-10 years.

An asteroid would have to impact this region for SHTF.
 
Movin' to Montana soon... Gonna be a dental floss tycoon...

Here in the midwest, within a coupla hundred miles of major New Madrid stuff, it's nice to think of moving, but I'm just wondering if I could really get away from the urban employment opportunities, etc...
 
Bob F -
Where abouts in WV, how much and is there any ajacent land available? (Need at least enough for a 300yd range...) :D
 
West Virginia fits RWC's criteria very well. Unlike the other posts, I'm on the Western side, in the Ohio River Valley. As long as you stay 1/2 mile back from the river flooding isn't a concern, snowfall amounts to less than 12" total for the winters with few exceptions, and the rare 24" snowfall melts in a few days. As said before, the once every 20 year tornado doesn't do much damage, and it's very localized. Generally in the 80's in summer, rarely goes below the teens in winter in the valley areas. Plenty of game, lots of small farms. Property is still affordable, taxes aren't outrageous. When we were kicking around the NOLA catastrophe, about the only down side about our area was if something really bad happened in Cleveland/Akron or Columbus areas, we may see folks flee into our area we would have to deal with. If you're serious, take a look at Wood/Jackson/Pleasants counties in WV.

P.S.-0007, I can't shoot 300yds, but I can do 250. :D
 
00000007:

South end of Raleigh Co. at Ghent (pronounced locally as "gent"), about 1/2 way between Beckley and Princeton just off I-77 (WV Turnpike, Exit 28). 1/2 mile from Winterplace Ski Resort. We have 5 acres, probably 2 a. of it in woods, (no timber). Make friends and you can fish Flat Top Lake w/o a license. Pop a deer in the back yard. Build a couple cabins and rent to skiers for exorbitant prices during the season. Fantastic white-water rafting about 1/2 hr away. Small-mouth and trout streams, Canada geese, etc.

Check your PM tomorrow. Just finished 3rd 12-hr shift, butt's dragging!

BTW: 70+ year-old neighbor has 186acres adjoining my back. Can get long shots but don't like the backstops.

Bob
 
"Movin' to Montana soon... Gonna be a dental floss tycoon...

Here in the midwest, within a coupla hundred miles of major New Madrid stuff, it's nice to think of moving, but I'm just wondering if I could really get away from the urban employment opportunities, etc..."



I've learned a lot about areas I was interested in by getting a subscription to the local paper for a few months at a time, at least the sunday paper.
 
I think you guys are overreacting. Even when we get hit really hard in FL, we never end up descending into a lootfest. And FL gets hit by hurricanes way more often then NO does.

Get insurance for your house, make sure everythign is strong enough to withstand all but the most incredible disasters and make sure you have a few weeks water and food and ammo handy.

The S can HTF anywhere at anytime. All you can do is be prepared. No one in NYC thought they were going to have a disaster on their hands back in 2001.
 
007:

Forgot to add, Beckly Gun Club's only 6 miles away. $80 Annual Family Membership gets you a gate key. 100yd "all purpose" range, 200, 300 & 500yd High-power range, 2 25 yd pistol ranges, Main Street, DNR range, trap and skeet (limited use or +$$), trout pond, camping, outdoor johns, IRRC 600+ acres. Good folks.

Bob
 
Here's the Answer

http://www.slate.com/id/2126321/?GT1=6900

Just read this on the msn website.


Human beings are self-absorbed creatures, so the response to Hurricane Katrina has naturally included some hand-wringing over the question: "Could this happen to my hometown?" Depending on the worrywart's location, the theoretical catastrophe could be a flash flood, a wildfire, or an earthquake rather than a hurricane; no corner of the United States is immune to lethal natural disasters.

Still, some corners are safer than others. If an American wants to minimize his chances of dying at Mother Nature's hands, where should he set up house? Slate crunched the numbers—and did some educated guesswork—to find the U.S. city where the odds of perishing in a natural disaster are closest to nil.

We started by taking a look at every presidential disaster declaration from 1965 through 2004. As this color-coded map reveals, the Eastern half of the nation has had the most officially declared disasters, although North Dakota, Washington, and California have endured more than their share of woe. Going by presidential decrees alone, then, Western states such as Nevada or Wyoming appear safest.

But the data are skewed by the fact that disasters are more likely to be declared in populated areas. As this FEMA primer makes clear, disasters are declared in order to make funds available to people and businesses affected by a catastrophe. So, a severe storm in the Milwaukee suburbs is a lot likelier to be declared a federal disaster than a severe storm in an unpopulated expanse of southwestern Wyoming.

The declared disasters list was useful, however, in helping to eliminate the obvious noncontenders. Like, say, California. The state's massive population gives it a low per-capita fatality rate for natural disasters, but no one would consider it a safe haven from nature's worst: It's susceptible to earthquakes, mudslides, wildfires, torrential rains, rip currents, and even volcanoes. Unsurprisingly, then, California has had more declared disasters than any other state but Texas, which is frequently hammered by tornadoes, thunderstorms, and floods.

For simplicity's sake—Slate still lacks a supercomputer to handle massive number-crunching assignments—we automatically eliminated the 30 states with the most declared disasters. Most were no-brainers, such as the hurricane-prone states of the Gulf Coast and the heartland states that lie in Tornado Alley. Sparsely populated North Dakota has regular problems with severe flooding, as do Virginia, Tennessee, and New York. (Flooding, tornadoes, and tropical storms/hurricanes have been the most prolific killers in recent years, although heat waves often take significant tolls.) Illinois and Pennsylvania didn't make the grade because their cities can get lethally hot. Also disqualified were some notably frigid members of the union, such as Wisconsin and Minnesota; blizzards and icy conditions are frequently deadly, especially for motorists. And seemingly placid West Virginia? It has some issues with landslides, particularly in the counties that border Ohio.

That left 20 states, two of which we knocked out immediately on common-sense grounds: Hawaii, since islands are inherently at the ocean's mercy (plus there's a slew of volcanoes), and Alaska, where severe winter storms are the norm. For the remaining 18 states, then, we looked at year-by-year fatalities resulting from severe weather, dating back to 1995, as recorded by the National Weather Service. The NWS statistics cover 27 different types of weather events, including such relative rarities as deaths due to volcanic ash, fog, dust devils, and "miscellaneous." (Since California had been eliminated at this stage, we ignored earthquake fatalities, which the NWS does not track.) We then used the total number of fatalities from each state to arrive at a deaths-per-thousand figure, based on population numbers taken from the 2000 Census.

Of the 18 states, only three had a fatality rate lower than 0.01 per thousand for the last decade: Connecticut (0.00587 per thousand), Massachusetts (0.00299), and Rhode Island (0.00286). These figures are somewhat surprising, given that all three of these New England states have ample coastlines and are thus susceptible to fierce storms. But they are also more immune to hurricanes than their southerly counterparts, virtually free of tornadoes, and blessed with relatively cool summers and winters that, although cold, aren't quite North Dakota cold. They're also affluent—all three boast family median incomes above the national average—and, as Hurricane Katrina reminded us, socioeconomics matter when it comes to preserving life during natural disasters.

For the three finalists, we looked at the county-by-county breakdowns of presidential-disaster declarations since 1995. Rhode Island only had one, during the Blizzard of '96. Connecticut was hit by that storm, too, as well as by Tropical Storm Floyd in 1999, which affected Litchfield, Hartford, and Fairfield counties. Massachusetts, meanwhile, had five major declared disasters, mostly associated with heavy rains and flooding in its seven easternmost counties.

Based solely on the numbers, then, Rhode Island would seem to be the winner. But the tiny state's cities are clustered around bays and rivers, which means a major hurricane could cause flooding. During the Great New England Hurricane of 1938, for example, a violent storm surge hit Providence.

Eastern Massachusetts is dicey because its long coastline is exposed to the unforgiving Atlantic Ocean. The rural west has proven statistically safer, but winter in the Berkshires can be snowy and harsh.

That leaves Connecticut, whose coastline faces the Long Island Sound rather than the open ocean. Still, living near the water is not recommended for the truly tense; a safer bet is somewhere inland, away from rivers and lakes, but not too deep in the boonies. The state's winters aren't tropical, but they tend to be not quite as snowbound as those in western Massachusetts.

After much debate, then, we settled on Slate's "America's Best Place to Avoid Death Due to Natural Disaster": the area in and around Storrs, Conn., home to the University of Connecticut. It lies in Tolland County, which was not part of the 1999 federal disaster declaration for Tropical Storm Floyd. It's a safe 50 miles from the sound and not close to any rivers. It also has relatively easy access to a major city (Hartford) in the event an evacuation or hospitalization becomes necessary.*

This conclusion is by no means scientific, nor can safety ever be completely guaranteed; as moviegoers and Rick Moody fans are already aware, Connecticut does have its share of dangerous ice storms. And we're open to suggestions about other candidates for the title. If you want to make a case for your hometown, please drop us a line. In the meantime, the parents of UConn students can sleep a little easier tonight.

(E-mail may be quoted unless the writer stipulates otherwise.)

*Correction, September 15, 2005: This piece originally asserted that the University of Connecticut Health Center is in Storrs, Conn. It's actually in Farmington.
 
"If ya ever DID find a place that was safe...what would your excuse be to buy more guns???"


To hunt elk, or antelope, or small game, or birds, or competition, or for fun, or just because you WANT IT, or because so-and-so has one and likes it, or you always wanted to try one of those, or for the wife, or for the kids, (dang, my dogs don't shoot) or because they were used in the _____________, or........



Regarding the post above about the "safe place", I guess it's a matter of opinion what "safe" is. Winter weather is an issue for people that are not prepared. The high heat of summer seems a lot more life threatening to me. I rather like winter and snow, heck, I'm planning on retiring to interior Alaska. I would say it's a combination of what your values are, and what things worry you. I rather like Wyoming. I would feel claustrophobic about anywhere east of the mississippi, and would be uncomfortable without vast areas of mountains to roam and camp in, so my choices are limted to areas that have mountains and few people. I prefer living out of town as well, the 35 miles to a small town seems about right to me. I understand some people feel panic at the vast spaces of the west, and don't feel "safe" when they are several hours drive from even a small town. Lets not even mention the grizzlies out in the woods, and who knows what else may be out there..... :what:
 
From Polishrifleman:

"And seemingly placid West Virginia? It has some issues with landslides, particularly in the counties that border Ohio."

I've lived 49 years in counties bordering Ohio, and have never seen a problem with landslides. As stated above, stay 1/2 mile back from the river, and you'll be fine. The only declared federal disasters in the last 40+ years have been from flooding (duh, don't build in a floodplain), and last winter, the issues you're probably referring to on "landslides", when the river went dry for a 30 mile stretch through Parkersburg. Without the river to hold the bank up, it sagged into the river. Again, don't build in a floodplain.
 
Seen a few slides, one nearly took a house with it. Use your head! Select the house site with some common sense! If your house is on a steep hillside, could be a problem. If you have brush and trees growing up to your back door, could be a problem. If you're at water's edge and 5 feet below sea level, could be a problem!

Stay safe.
Bob
 
"I can't believe that no one said this yet:

ALASKA !!!

All you need is a good coat! "



Interesting that the quoted article mentioned cold weather as being a problem in Alaska, and not earthquakes. Alaska is very seimically active. Still plan on moving there tho. I worry less about the cold, it can be planned for and dealt with..

The earthquake people say log cabins are more "flexible" and resiliant than typical frame construction, and seem to sustain less damage from quakes. Being smaller than average modern houses helps too I believe.
 
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