where to start a long range build?

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huntinfool87

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Im wanting to build a rifle capable of 1000 yards.I'm leaning towards a 6. 55 Lapua for the caliber but in order to do that I would have to rebarrel a .25 caliber rifle. So im not sure where to start. I have looked at the rem. sundaro, rem 700 adl. Im not a fan of savage rifles I havent had good luck with the 3 that I have owned. I have also considered 260 rem and 6.5 creedmore but im open to ideas and would like to stay in $1000. Rang for the rifle without optics. Any input will be greatly appreciated.
 
It ain't the arrows, Tonto.

Unless you're a hand loader, I'd suggest that you start with .308 Win. You can pick up a Remington SPS Varmint with a 26" barrel (for roughly $550), drop it in a Bell & Carlson Medalist stock ($207-$407 from Stocky'sStocks) and have it skim-bedded and the barrel free-floated (my gunsmith charged me $100 to do that). Put a 20 MOA base rail on, put on medium 30 mm rings (all in, about $60) and get a Vortex Viper PST 6-24x50 scope (you can get them in MOA/MOA or MIL/MIL reticle/adjustment knobs and First Focal Plane, for about $900-$950). That's the set-up I started with (using a B&C A5 Medalist stock). The cheapest way to go is the M40 Medalist stock (I used the one that came on my Rem 700 5R with my Rem 700 SPS-V in .223) when I dropped my 5R action into an AIAX chassis with a NightForce 20 MOA rail and rings. That set-up was a little pricier (I recommend Mile High Shooting Accessories in Erie, CO...wonderful folks and DAV-run business...absolutely first-rate!). and a little more consistent than my SPS-V. NightForce Optics are a step up from Vortex Viper, but I may go Vortex Razor for my next scope).

For ammo, you can use Federal or Black hills Match as well as several other brands. 168gr bullets will work nicely out to 600+ yards. For longer distances you'll want to use either 175-178gr bullets or 190gr bullets.

BTW, since Remington has recalled almost all their X-Mark Pro triggers, you may want to get a Timney 510, with long sear (needed for the Varmint), or a Jewell replacement trigger. I replaced all my Rem triggers with Timneys (wonderful customer service from Timney, and either you or a qualified gunsmith can install them...they'll preset the pull weight to your request when you order from them). My initial rifle is a 1/2-3/4 MOA shooter to 300 yards and cost me $1,900 all in with the Timney recently added at $134. For $2,000+ it's a great starter that still shoots better than me (note the arrows remark, above).

I hand load so my match ammo costs me about $0.40/shot. I use ammo with 175gr Sierra Match Kings and Hornady 178gr A-MAXs and either Alliant Reloder 15, Norma 203B or IMR 4064 powder, depending on availability. I follow published min and max for working up loads.

Now most of the really good shooters use 6mm, 6.5mm or 7mm calibers for their higher ballistic coefficients and sectional densities...and I'll probably rebarrel one of my short action precision rifles with a 6.5mm. I have a hunting rifle in 6.5x55 SE, a wonderful caliber that has been widely and successfully used in 900 meter matches in Europe. The advantage of starting with .308 Win, however, is cost and gaining valuable learning and experience with reading wind. Zak Smith, one of the sport's leading players, has written some wonderful articles on getting into long-range precision shooting with well-tried and tested advice. Attached is the URL of the first, starting with equipment.

https://demigodllc.com/articles/practical-long-range-rifle-shooting-equipment/

I'm still a novice IMHO and will be for some time to come, though I have been a shooter for more than 60 years and a NRA certified instructor for some years. Read Zak's series and start shooting.

Good luck and best wishes,

FH
 
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Flatbush Harry

Im just starting out reloading mostly for my hunting rifles (270, 257 Weatherby, 280 rem.) I read to stay away from the varmint barrels because they do not have enough twist to stabilize the longer rounds is this true? Im not a huge fan of the 308 but as you stated its a good starting point and I can always re barrel it in the 260 down the road.
 
huntin,

The Rem 700 SPS-V has a 1:12 twist. that nicely stabilizes both 168 and 175-178gr bullets and my 5R is a 1:11.25 twist, that does well with 175-178gr...I have not yet tried 190s in either.

The most important part is picking an affordable set-up, attending some useful training and getting a lot of practice in. .308 does that nicely...so do other set-ups but they cost more.

You can get a Tikka Sporter in both .260 Rem and 6.5x55 Swede for $1,400-$1,500. The .260 and 6.5x55 SE factory loads are not useful for precision shooting.

Everything offers trade-offs...decide where you can be flexible.

Good luck,

FH
 
You already have been given good advice from Flatbush. In addition If you have a action you like, have a good gunsmith rebarrel it. Get a good scope and dies and see how it goes. The Remington idea is good because it is the best non-custom action to upgrade if needed. I too have had bad luck with a Savage.
I know a gunsmith that buys batches of rifles and tests them. He keeps the best ones and sells the rest. Make friends with a guy like that.
 
I set off on this quest some time ago and settled on the .260 Remington ... reason being that I wanted to stick with another cartridge that used the .308 parent case (I have lots of once-fired .308 and .243 brass). I landed on purchasing, rather than building, a custom rifle. Found a nice .260 that another guy had built that is almost exactly what I would have ordered. Sort of like buying a low mileage used car: got what I want (proven platform) at a cost lower than a new one.

BUT, were I to do it again, I think I would have simply sent my Remington 700 VSSF in .308 (which I sold to help pay for the new-to-me rig) to Hart for a new barrel in .260 Rem. I'm guessing that would have been even less expensive, given that I already had a trued action on hand. Live and learn.

So I agree with the above posters, especially if you already have a rifle you like. Send it off for a new barrel, and have the smith true the action while he has it apart.
 
hey Legion, how did your VSSF shoot?? very curious for more datapoints on that
 
Had it accurized by Arnold Arms (before they went out of business). Well under MOA with Federal 175 GMM ammo, generally about 1/2 MOA. Here's a pic of a 100-yard 5-shot group. Used it for a long range rifle class at Storm Mountain a few years ago. Really sorry I didn't just rebarrel this one.

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Legionnaire:

Nice group! Looks like a keeper for competition, and wow would that make a dandy varmint rig too.

Geno
 
You can Youtube The Military Arms channel and find "1,000 yard rifle for $1,000". Gives a pretty good starting point that's budget friendly. I've met the dude that does the videos. Good guy
 
6.5 Creedmoor...

Hey huntinfool87,

I too wanted a 1,000 yard rifle and needed to be able to shoot it all day long which for me meant little to no recoil. I went with the 6.5 Creedmoor. I've had it for a couple of months now and I simply love it! 600 yds is nothing for this rifle! It is a far better shooter than I am! For the first time I went out last Friday and shot past 600 yds. I was able to hit the target out to 900 yds. One shot miss, made an adjustment and hit it with the second shot! Yesterday I took it with me and shot it at 100 yds while I was working on some loads for other rifles. The wind was blowing at 15 mph with gusts up to 22 mph! And here is the 5 shot group!

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Wow guys I cant thank you enough! Im trying to pick an action right now im thinking I might just buy a rem 308 adl and re barrel it to a 260 or a 6.5x47 lapua. I have chosen u.s. optics for my scope but I have no clue on who to go with for a barrel any advice would be great. Also I live in Southern Nebraska and gun smiths are far and few between. Do I send it off to a credible smith or risk a semi local one that I have no feedback on?
 
Please consider using a Tikka action...they are simply outrageous!

I'd recommend Bartlein barrels. I would definitely recommend the gunsmith I used but he is located 1 1\2 hours northeast of Dallas. If you're interested let me know and I'll get you his name and number.
 
deerhunter61

I have looked into a tikka action and its very solid! I will have to see if im able to buy just an action.
 
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