I found some today. Sportsmansguide.com carries the Norma 8x57JS as well as some other calibers. Right now they are backordered on the 196gr Vulcan till August 27, but they have the 196gr Alaskan, which is about the same as a Win. Powerpoint and I think is a Woodleigh bullet. I'm waiting on the Vulcans. The cost was $28.00 plus shipping.