CharlieDeltaJuliet
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Razorback is right, the Savage can save you enough money to add to optics or other accessories. The Savage can shoot as good as any of the fore mentioned rifles. It is all about personal preferance.
Which .308 rifle am I looking for?
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Kachok
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Russian snipers lost out to the Germans 9 times out of 10, let the flaming begin!
JK the Mosin was a highly effective rifle at the time, but rifle technology (and accuracy) have improved alot since the 1930s. Some people like the challange of using a very old rifle for long range shooting, me I just like shooting tiny little groups.Salty1
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I join those who suggested the Tikka T-3, although mine is in 30-06 I truly appreciate the quality and how well it shoots, no need to mention upgrades and what you can do to a rifle, this has it all directly from the factory. Add the scope of your choice and go ring the long range gongs.........
meanmrmustard
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9 times out of 10 it's the shooter. Accurate rifles can't help crappy shooters.Russian snipers lost out to the Germans 9 times out of 10, let the flaming begin!
Methinks your ratio is off, BTW. But that's off topic.
TexasPatriot.308
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from experience, Tikka T3s have the smoothest action I have ever handled.
meanmrmustard
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I prefer a Mauser action myself. Time tested and whatnot.
whatever, what are you planning to do with the rifle? If you are just planning to go out to the range, shoot and hone your skills, then there were many good suggestions. If you plan to shoot competitions, that may narrow your choices a bit.
I've built a couple of rifles with the specific intention of shooting F Class with them. I went with a Remington 700 for a few reasons. From this perspective, I'd say that the first is that they are highly customizeable. Stocks, barrels, detachable magazine systems, triggers, etc.
If you are getting this rifle with the intention of getting into gaming, a few things will become important. They did for me, anyway. My considerations, in no particular order, were:
The stock. Everyone that makes a stock, makes one for the Remington 700 action. Finding one that meets your tastes will be easy.
The trigger. Again, just about everyone that makes an after market trigger, makes one for the Reminton 700. Jewel, Timney, Shilen, etc. I run a Jewel on mine.
Barrel. This isn't as big a deal. A competent gunsmith can fit a good barrel to just about anything, but finding a good gunsmith that can work on Remingtons isn't very hard.
Detachable magazines. This is the area that poses a bit of a problem when going with something other than brands that are widely used. There are many detachable magazine systems available for the Remington 700 action which use the widely accepted Accuracy International 5 and 10 round mags. Having a high mag capacity is advantageous when you are shooting a match and want to take advantage of a favorable wind condition. In many instances, going with a rifle that forces you to stick with some sort of proprietary detachable magazine will leave you with very limited capacity and having to spend a lot of money on spare mags.
Although I'll admit that an out of the box Remington is not as refined as a Tikka, I think that the Reminton will take you further down the road as you get more serious about shooting long range.
If I was looking for a rifle with a $600 budget, I'd be looking for something like a used SPS Tactical or maybe a Savage 10FP. Everything that I said about the Remington, pretty much goes for the Savage, just a bit less so. Put a good trigger on it and some good glass and get shooting. I wouldn't worry about the other stuff until the need arises.
As far as the glass goes, quality beats quantity. For tactical types of shooting a 3-15X should do you. I run a 5.5-22X50 Nightforce on my rigs and really like them.
I've built a couple of rifles with the specific intention of shooting F Class with them. I went with a Remington 700 for a few reasons. From this perspective, I'd say that the first is that they are highly customizeable. Stocks, barrels, detachable magazine systems, triggers, etc.
If you are getting this rifle with the intention of getting into gaming, a few things will become important. They did for me, anyway. My considerations, in no particular order, were:
The stock. Everyone that makes a stock, makes one for the Remington 700 action. Finding one that meets your tastes will be easy.
The trigger. Again, just about everyone that makes an after market trigger, makes one for the Reminton 700. Jewel, Timney, Shilen, etc. I run a Jewel on mine.
Barrel. This isn't as big a deal. A competent gunsmith can fit a good barrel to just about anything, but finding a good gunsmith that can work on Remingtons isn't very hard.
Detachable magazines. This is the area that poses a bit of a problem when going with something other than brands that are widely used. There are many detachable magazine systems available for the Remington 700 action which use the widely accepted Accuracy International 5 and 10 round mags. Having a high mag capacity is advantageous when you are shooting a match and want to take advantage of a favorable wind condition. In many instances, going with a rifle that forces you to stick with some sort of proprietary detachable magazine will leave you with very limited capacity and having to spend a lot of money on spare mags.
Although I'll admit that an out of the box Remington is not as refined as a Tikka, I think that the Reminton will take you further down the road as you get more serious about shooting long range.
If I was looking for a rifle with a $600 budget, I'd be looking for something like a used SPS Tactical or maybe a Savage 10FP. Everything that I said about the Remington, pretty much goes for the Savage, just a bit less so. Put a good trigger on it and some good glass and get shooting. I wouldn't worry about the other stuff until the need arises.
As far as the glass goes, quality beats quantity. For tactical types of shooting a 3-15X should do you. I run a 5.5-22X50 Nightforce on my rigs and really like them.
I shoot a lot at 600 and 1k and don't see anyone using Mosins or Tikka/Howa hunting rifles unless they are just goofing around. Not to say those are bad rifles but if you want to target shoot you are talking a whole different kind of rifle.
Take a look at the Remington SPS tactical or varmint and the Savage model 10 and 12 series to see what I mean. If you want to 'learn to shoot long range' those are the cheapest I'd start with.
Take a look at the Remington SPS tactical or varmint and the Savage model 10 and 12 series to see what I mean. If you want to 'learn to shoot long range' those are the cheapest I'd start with.
TexasPatriot.308
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shooting 600-1000 yards....we did it in the military and the rifle we used was M-14 (M1A) using iron sights, put optics on it and anybody can shoot that far. it is time proven and once again in the military arsenals.
kcshooter
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Savage, Tikka, and Remington are going to be the three most frequent answers to this question no matter how many times it is asked.
I've got one of each, all are great shooters, and my preference for them is in the order I listed.
I've got one of each, all are great shooters, and my preference for them is in the order I listed.
Tempest 455
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Savage. Mine so far has held .5MOA out to 400 yards using box ammo.
Kachok
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Tikka is the easiest to work up loads for and shoot the best with factory ammo (not picky at all), Savages have always ended up costing the least, grouping the tightest in the end (though the factory bore is ROUGH at first), and are the easiest to tweak, Remington has the largest aftermarket, just avoid the brand new ones. They all have their strengths. I have owned nearly two dozen of the above mentioned firearms, they can all either shoot tight straight out of the box or with minimal tweaking. To date though my favorite is the T3 in 6.5x55 it shoots MUCH better then I can in the woods, it is compact, light weight, well ballanced and very egronomic. Plus is more refined then all the others put together, best trigger and action in the business IMHO.
LeonCarr
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Remington 700
Most will shoot sub-MOA out of the box. My current Remington 700P shoots 5/8 MOA with factory ammo and a ragged hole with handloads.
Just my .02,
LeonCarr
Most will shoot sub-MOA out of the box. My current Remington 700P shoots 5/8 MOA with factory ammo and a ragged hole with handloads.
Just my .02,
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