Which ammo would you pick between these two for HD?

[DPris]

Rev Garb,
Just in what's sitting here in the office at the moment, I have a box of the non-Mag 2 3/4-inch 8-pellet Federal Flitecontrol with a muzzle velocity of 1145 FPS on it & a box of 3-inch Mag 12-pellet Federal Flitecontrol at 1325 FPS.

I could look further, but I'm down off the hill after shooting & I'm pooped.

Denis

 

[RevolvingGarbage]

Your federal 2 3/4 buckshot is a reduced load, note the 8 pellet load instead of the usual 9. Remingtons standard 2 3/4 load (from what ive read, just about the most popular load used today) is a 9 pellet load at 1325 FPS. Their 3" magnum load is 15 pellets at 1225 FPS. Their reduced recoil load is an 8 pellet load at 1200 FPS (even a little bit faster than your federal load). Lower velocity does reduce pellet deformation and that has a major effect on pellet dispersion. If you went to a 15 pellet magnum load at 1225 FPS with buffered and plated shot, you would probably note much tighter and denser patterns than your federal load, especially if a load like that used a flite control wad.

 

[DPris]

My point was I'm not sure you can make a blanket statement about 3-inch Mags being slower.
Denis

 

[RevolvingGarbage]

Actually, yes I can because its true.

The only reasons the load you posted is slower is because A, that federal magnum load is a 12 pellet load, most 3" magnum 00 buckshot is a 15 pellet load, and B, the load you compared it to is a reduced recoil load. Its a poor comparison used to make an incorrect point.

I'm not trying to ruffle feathers here, but if you would look up the figures you would see your core hypothesis of Magnum = higher velocity is simply not true when it comes to shotshells.

To finish my point, if you look at Federals website, you will see that their standard 2 3/4 00 buckshot load is a 9 pellet load at 1325 FPS, their 3" magnum load is 15 pellets at 1100 FPS, and their reduced recoil load (possibly a different version from the one you have) is 9 pellets at 1140 FPS. The magnum load is the slowest of all three.

 

[GlockMan1949]

My thanks...

Hi Denis,

Thank-you for your hard work. Thanks, also, to the others that have contributed to this thread. I recently purchased five boxes of the PDX1-12 in 2 3/4" for extreme close-in work, in the event of possible armed home invasions that seem to be on the upswing in my state. For longer distance, if necessary, I have Polywad's Quik-Shok loads, also in 2 3/4".

My shotgun is a Remington 870 Desert Recon II, with 8rd capability, Knoxx Stox recoil reducing stock, and has a Trijicon TX30 affixed as my optic. I'm concerned with ranges, inside, of up to 20 yards. Depending upon where Bad Guys would be making their ingress/egress, the PDX1-12s would be adequate. However...

After having read everyone's thoughtful posts, I'll be looking to acquire Federal's Flite Control ammunition. Though I'm a geezer, the Knoxx stock is impressive, and does truly reduce recoil. Still, and all, I'm not a fan of 3" magnums. My shotgun's accuracy is best with reduced recoil loads, though as one poster opined, the desire for a one shot stop, is forever in the back of my mind...

Again, I want to thank-you for helping me change my mind, and hence, my defensive load-out. Between the Flite Controls by Federal, and the Quik-Shoks for longer range/harder targets, the two different loads should meet most of my needs...

GlockMan1949, out...

 

[rbernie]

I've been really pleased with the patterning that I get from the cheapie Fiocchi LE/reduced recoil 9-pellet 00 buck. For my needs (contact distance to fifteen yards) it's fine, and the low price (less than $120 per case of 250) means that I can buy it by the case and spend quality time practicing with it.

The notion of regularly working out with SD/HD ammo hasn't really been discussed much here, but it is always a good thing to do....

 

[AcceptableUserName]

rbernie,


MAX100 said something about the Fiocchi being good but tending to deform if left in a mag tube for too long (too long being shorter than most prescribed versions of "too long" i.e. a couple months at a time)...


what do you think? I'm thinking of buying some Fiocchi SPECIFICALLY for leaving in my hd gun for indeterminate periods of time.

 

[rbernie]

Good question, but I dunno the answer - mine get flushed out pretty regularly by that ol' BA/UU/R thing.... Why not buy a box from ammunitiontogo and try it?

 

[Dave McCracken]

Ammo kept stored in the magazine of the weapon can collapse as well as have the primers contaminated and deadened by lube.

I suggest using it up every six months and putting in new rounds. The old stuff can be shot up in the practice sessions we ALL need to do.

 

[Boris bush]

Ammo kept stored in the magazine of the weapon can collapse as well as have the primers contaminated and deadened by lube.

I suggest using it up every six months and putting in new rounds. The old stuff can be shot up in the practice sessions we ALL need to do.

Thats what I do too. Infact I just shot up a bunck of buckshot I had for a a year and replaced all of it.

For some reason my shotgun just loves Remington 2 3/4" 16 pellet #1 buck. It fills the pattern in real nice.

I got a bunch of the military grade Winchester OO buck that is nothing more than the supreme highvelocity load in a green hull and unplated shot. It, in my tests shoots the same for pattern.

I also have some Rio Star slugs. they are kinda neat. There is a plastic rear portion that is molded around the slug and is a part of it. VERY accurate and hits hard with no deformation with nothing but full penetration.....

 

[AcceptableUserName]

six months is nothing....


I just want something that'll be reliable being rotated every 2 months at the most...

gonna order some Fiocchi and see how it does. seems like a nice reduced recoil low cost option for my pgo 500...

 

[bsg]

good thread.

 

[crazykayaker]

I have 6 standard Remington 9-pellet 2 3/4'' #00 Buck in my Maverick 18'' pump then 5 more in the ammo carrier on the buttstock. I don't reckon anybody/anything can take that standing up.

That's just my two cents worth.