Completed Magpul Dynamics Tactical Shotgun Class:)

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alpha6164

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Well this past weekend i completed the Magpul Tactical Shotgun class with Chris Costa. So far i had taken the Carbine and Handgun class so i knew i was in for an awesome time. The course required 50 slugs, 100 buck shots, 200 bird shots, and 300rnds of pistol ammo as your secondary weapon, ouch. That is a lot of 12g shooting.

It was a one day class that lasted from 8am-6pm. We took an hour lunch break. Chris in unbelievable and basically appears to have come out of his momma's you know what with some kind of a weapon:) Seeing him in action is crazy.

I always had thought what is the big deal with shotgun, load it up and shoot until you are empty:) WRONG. This was harder than the handgun or carbine class. The problem is that you also have to learn other types of shotguns and how they run besides your own. Half the class including Chris ran the Benelli M4 including yours truly.

The gun was fast and gave none of us any problems. A few guys ran Mossbergs, and one remington pump. One of the Mossberg 930 did not make it thru the class. Chris had the bad ass collapsible stock on his M4 which made it look even better and handle better. I have to get that next.


We first sighted in our guns with slugs at 40yard. Unbelievable how accurate my M4 was with the ghost ring sites it came in. I was shooting on top of each other at 40yards. Then we switched to 00bucks to determine how well our guns patterned. We started at 5yrs and continued to drop back until our grouping got bigger that 10". That distance was magic for our gun and those types of round.

In a hostage situation or whatever where you cant spray a bunch of people and you need more of an accurate shot, that distance determines if you need to do a combat reload where a slug is dropped in right in the chamber. The M4 patterns like no other with the modified choke that it comes with. With Hornady TAP 00Buck and Federal 00Buck with Flitecontrol at 20yard my patters were no more than 6". At about 30yards there were about 10". At 20yards or less it basically took a hole out as big as my fist:)

Then we transitioned into how to switch from buck shots to slugs if needed in middle of combat or defensive situations. And if we needed one slug or two slugs and it all was dependent if the shotgun was chambered or not. The Benelli M4 is awesome that you can rack the slide without taking a shell out the tube and dropping it on the carrier. So if you need only one slug, you just basically rack the slide open take a slug from your rig and drop it in the chamber and let let the slide go and you are good to go. So it was the fastest gun in that respect.

We did a lot of team tactics and moving and shooting. We did quite a bit of transitioning from our primary weapon ie. shotgun to secondary weapon ie. handgun anytime we ran out of ammo, while the other person covered us enough to combat reload.


When we were done, Chris came up to me and said Saman, i can officially call you Jedi Master and smiled. Here are some pics.




Dropping a slug in the chamber on command to shoot a long distance target

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Spent slug shell from above routine

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Moving and shooting:

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Transitioning to Sig 226R:

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Chris giving me praise:)

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To more quickly select load a slug on a Benelli (than the awkward position in your first picture), for a right-handed shooter:

1. pull your left hand off the fore-end, bring it straight back and rack the charging handle to the rear (which ejects the chambered round but does not feed one from the magazine), while

2. simultaneously grasping the slug from its position and dropping it into the now-open ejection port with your right hand

3. let the charging handle go, which drops the bolt and chambers the slug

4. return to firing grip
 
Zak, thanks for the input but its a lot more awkward to to rack and hold a charging handle that in on the right side of the gun with your left hand.

The pic does not tell the entire sequence. The way its is taught by Chris Costa is "

1) With your left hand on the fore-end pull the gun/stock against your chest

2) At the same time you grab the charging handle with your right hand and pull the charging handle back and release your left hand from the fore-end
So at this point you are holding up the gun only with your right hand holding the charging handle back and resting against your chest.

3) You grab the slug with your free left hand and while the gun is still resting against your chest you drop the slug from the top (the gun has a slight left hand tilt) into the chamber.

4) Grip the fore-end with your left hand and release the charging handle and start shooting.
 
Thanks for posting, guys. Though I personally have little need for Benelli Slug drills, I'm sure others do.

50 slugs, 100 buck, 200 birdshot. A nice day at the range.....
 
I think my hands would burst into flames if I had to shoot a shotgun with a plastic plug thing for an extended magazine and a vertical foregrip .

It looks like you had fun, I'm shopping around right now for a good shotgun class somewhere between PA and IL. Thanks for the review!
 
alpha6164,

Thank you for the review. It certainly looks like a great class.

One of the wonderful things about the combat shotgun is that you can take a group of people and in 8 hrs have them "Up to Speed". Not quite the case with other small arms in my experience. I have taken a similar 1 day class from Rob Haught, around 335rds in one day. There is an AAR of that class here on THR.

I also read the review on ar15.com, and some members here may be intersested in reading that also. Warning, there are so many pics on that thread my computer couldn't even load them all.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=8&f=10&t=320260

I have heard nothing but good things about Chris Costa and the training he delivers. I'm hoping to be able to take a class with him someday.

Dave Williams
 
357wheelgunner said:
I think my hands would burst into flames if I had to shoot a shotgun with a plastic plug thing for an extended magazine and a vertical foregrip .
The vertical fore grip is a huge asset with follow up shots and control over muzzle flip. I think that I run the pump much smoother with a vertical grip. Over all feels more natural intuitive than a traditional grasp on a pump. Does take some getting used to, at least for old guys like me. MOre like an AR than a traditional rifle. I have a MAKO T-Grip on mine that holds a flashlight that you can control via a trigger on the grip. Also has a side rail to put a laser.
 
I love my vertical grip. The same reason i like my single point sling. It makes the transition from carbine to shotgun very easy:)
 
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