which AR15 for under $2000

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Hi everyone; I'm looking for some help. I've been a competitive pistol shooter for many years and have done trap and skeet but no rifle shooting; last year I bought a S&W M&P15 trying to beat the legislative nightmare.

I would like another AR15 for longer range shooting. I am an accuracy nut.

I'm interested in the following:
*Rock River Varmint
*Windham VEX SS Varmint Exterminator
* Ruger SR-556VT
*Daniel Defense
*can't afford a Noveske

I live in NJ and realize some of these might have to be modified to fit NJ regs.
Any advice will be welcome.
thanks
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I have a DDM4 and couldn't be happier.

No experience with the others.
 
I would like another AR15 for longer range shooting. I am an accuracy nut.
Well I'm going to toss out the gun everyone loves to hate as a starting point - I'd use the RRA as a baseline.

I'm a longtime AR owner - bought my first one over 30 years ago (Colt SP-1) and when the AWB expired, I was at the store with the RRA of my choice for the dealer to order.

Why? Got a relative that's a gunsmith, and he and all his buddies are competitive bench rest shooters (you know how off the deep end those folks are about accuracy). I asked him what he would get and they told me it seemed about every competition they went to, RRA seemed to be the prevailing choice. He now owns a number of AR's, and I notice he owns more RRA's than any brand, and when he's building a competition or varmint gun, he usually starts with a RRA.

Since that time (I now own two with no complaints - along with a couple of Colts), every time I'd run across a magazine or one of the increasingly sold special magazines (those covering a number of evil black rifles), I immediately flip through to check out the accuracy results on the test page - I can't remember a time when I've seen something that shot a smaller group than the RRA's tested, often with less than 1/2 the MOA of the others (even some costing 3 times the price).

When I bought my first RRA, I noticed they were out front and center with their accuracy guarantee - some of the others may have had an accuracy guarantee, but you often had to dig through the fine print to find it.

I'm just a' telling you my unscientific results / research over the years.
In the bench rest boyz world, "tight means accurate", and RRA's usually are tight. Some folks hate 'em for that (why I don't really know), but as long as they don't jam, I have no problem with tight fit.

Of course, the flames will now probably start, but if you'll recall in my first line of this post, I said you might want to use the RRA as a baseline for your comparisons.

And unlike some, I won't even get upset if you don't buy the brand of my choice! :D
 
While I own a RRA Varmint 24" barrel AR, I agree it is the baseline. Don't get me wrong. It is the most accurate AR I own. I own five. An RRA,DDM4, HK MR556, CMMG, and Colt. The best I own is the HK. The one I shoot the least is the Colt which is a great rifle. The Colt and DD both hover at about 1.5 MOA with standard over the counter ammo and about the same with my hand loads , sometimes as wild as 2 MOA with factory ammo. The HK shoots 1 MOA with over the counter and less than that with hand loads. The RRA, I only shoot hand loads and it is 1/2" groups or less at 100 yards from the bench. Just look at which fits you the best. If you can try differs configurations, I'd advise it. The DD is a total different beast than the RRA. I choose the HK as my "battle rifle" because of the reliability with accuracy. The DD and Colt are my back ups for that, the RRA is honestly just for plinking at a few hundred yards. I have only shot it out to 400 yards but it is accurate as can be. The CMMG is a Quality AR but I chose it in .22LR, but don't get me wrong it is built like the Colt or DD as far as a .22.

I really like the RRA. I would never part with mine. But like I said you need to narrow down what you need it for. If it is for headshooting groundhogs at 200 yards I would grab the RRA. If for plinking at the range the HK is my go to rifle.
 
I hate to be the guy that adds more to your list, but have you considered Larue tactical? Their predatAR series is highly accurate and well below your limit and their PredatOBR series takes it even farther but is 250 over your limit.

I love my PredatAR in 5.56.
 
I'm not an AR guru, but I do have three. My Bushmaster (Windham) Varminter is exceptionally accurate. With hand loads it will do .5's, so the Varminters should suffice for you.

You might check out Stag. They have an accuracy guarantee on their Varminter and it's +/- $950 last time I looked. Dunno how it stands up to the milspec test.

I think most of the higher end models with superior quality barrels should do quite well. I don't know for sure, but I suspect most everybody buys barrels, so there may not be a ton of difference
 
I have 3 AR rifles in the 223 chambering. There is a Colt SP1 and a Colt Sporter Target. However, oddly enough the best shooter and most accurate is of all things a Double Star someone put a good match trigger in along with a 24" stainless 1:7 twist barrel. Not sure but think it may be a Shilen or Krieger match barrel. I ended up with the rifle simply because someone wanted to sell it off at a really great price at the time.

Given $2,000 I would just think about investing maybe $1,000 in a good rifle then about $500 in a good match barrel (floated) and then add a good (Timney or other match) trigger. Anyway, given a few grand that is the route I would take. I generally just suggest people go buy this or that as a turn key solution. With a few basic tools that are inexpensive, removing and replacing a barrel on an AR is not very difficult.

Just my take (with your money) :)

Ron
 
I think Rock River is the best of the mid-priced guns for accuracy. I've been shooting an ATH model in 3 gun over the last year and when I did the accuracy testing with a scope immediately after purchase was amazed at what they get with the 18" cryo treated barrels. Mine seems to be a pretty consistent .5-.75" gun running Black Hills match ammo.

Another option would be to get a RRA lower with their 2 stage match trigger and a JP Rifles CTR-02 upper. That would cost more than a RRA complete rifle by a lot but still be under $2000.
 
I think by far the RRA is the most accurate. Some will say every molecue in the bolt and barrel is not gone over with a microscope but that does not seem to matter
 
Stoner ... I picked up an SR15 E3 for $1850 ... Light years ahead of everything else on the market.

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I just bought a RRA predator pursuit, sold a model 700 SPS tactical to help fund it. I thought I was going to lose some accuracy.

This is the kind of groups I'm getting at 100 yards with just a bi pod and a vortex diamondback 3-9x40 scope.
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The 45 cartridge covers the 5 shot group. This was with 50grain Hornady vmax reloads with some varget pushing it.
 
If accuracy is important and you want a top tier rifle that you know is done right go with a bcm with a stainless barrel. Stainless will always be more accurate than a chromoly barrel and chrome lined are even less accurate that non lined. I have a dd m4v5 and reliability is awesome but its a 2 moa gun. The problem with mid tier guns is if things are tested they are batch tested instead of individual part testing. If you want a gun that will run and run buy a top tier.
 
I have my share of AR15s and prefer my AR10s, and they are ARs because they are Armalites. bought my first 25 years ago or more, my next Armalite will be in the A4 configuration, AR10 again. just so much more punch, $1000-$1500 for those weapons.
 
Want another reason to get an RRA? Here's my RRA Varmint A4 shooting Hornady 75gr Match 5.56x45mm NATO ammo:

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5 shot group (only three are visible, and no, the other two weren't somewhere else on the target) into a hair over .25 MOA.
 
I'd buy a BCM upper with a stainless barrel and free floated hand guard , a Geiselle SSA or lighter trigger, and sort out a standard lower and whatever buttstock you find most comfortable. There should still be some meat left on the bone to put towards a magnified optic.
 
Though I've not shot one, I was recently looking at a few new AR's and finally got to hold and closely examine one from LMT. It was head and shoulders about the rest (DD, Stag, Sig, RRA). Light weight, extremely well machined. It seemed like an excellent piece of engineering. Again, I haven't shot one but I have read that they shoot well and are very durable. Not inexpensive (and not made in a left hand design which is my preference) but if the price seems out of reach, I'd rather consider a new LMT than a used just-about-everything-else. However, I'd also like to take a look at a LaRue. Everything else I've purchased from them is absolutely top shelf.
But then again, you know what they say about free advice.
GL,
B
 
Right now I am still fiddling with loads but so far the best has been a load using the Hornady 75gr BTHP. It shoots at .357" out of my DPMS MK 12 SPR. This rifle is extremely accurate.
 
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