Fatelvis
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I think we had it right, with the 308. Stupid move going to 5.56.
Which Calibers SHOULD our Military be using?
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Glock Glockler
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Battle Rifle - .260 Remington
Assault Rifle - 6.5mm Glockler
It's a 7.62 Russian necked down to a 6.5mm pill weighing 120gr going as fast as you can push it.
Hey, G98
How fast could you get one to go out of a 16-20 inch barrel?
Assault Rifle - 6.5mm Glockler
It's a 7.62 Russian necked down to a 6.5mm pill weighing 120gr going as fast as you can push it.Hey, G98
How fast could you get one to go out of a 16-20 inch barrel?
cardboardkiller
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They already use the 270 Weatherby for sniping duties.
EchoSixMike
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Man, I've seen some crazy things in this topic! 270 Wtby for sniping? Never seen it, never even heard of it, and I try to follow this game pretty close
Ladies and gents, if the USG fields a round, you can guarentee it will be commercially successful. So all this stuff about how the 308 is already available so we may as well use it, yada yada, is bunk. The 30-40, 30-06, 308 Win and 5.56(223) were all created for the military and went on to be successful commercial rounds. What makes you think that something new and better would not be? This 6.8mm round will fly commercially if it is adopted by the USG. I guarentee it. That being said, I don't think it's an all purpose round. It's too light for GPMG use. Something like 7mm-08 would be better, but now you're talking an AR-10 sized rifle.
I think that standardizing on the bore of 6.8mm would be a good start. You can field this 6.8x45 thing for the AR series of rifles for general infantry use with about a 120gn bullet, you can field a 6.8x51 for the GPMG and sniper use, with about a 155gn VLD type bullet. How about a Lapua D46 style FMJ for the 6.8mm MG load? Then your MG ammo might just be useful for your snipers. S/F.....Ken M Scout-Sniper Platoon 2/24
Ladies and gents, if the USG fields a round, you can guarentee it will be commercially successful. So all this stuff about how the 308 is already available so we may as well use it, yada yada, is bunk. The 30-40, 30-06, 308 Win and 5.56(223) were all created for the military and went on to be successful commercial rounds. What makes you think that something new and better would not be? This 6.8mm round will fly commercially if it is adopted by the USG. I guarentee it. That being said, I don't think it's an all purpose round. It's too light for GPMG use. Something like 7mm-08 would be better, but now you're talking an AR-10 sized rifle.
I think that standardizing on the bore of 6.8mm would be a good start. You can field this 6.8x45 thing for the AR series of rifles for general infantry use with about a 120gn bullet, you can field a 6.8x51 for the GPMG and sniper use, with about a 155gn VLD type bullet. How about a Lapua D46 style FMJ for the 6.8mm MG load? Then your MG ammo might just be useful for your snipers. S/F.....Ken M Scout-Sniper Platoon 2/24
cardboardkiller
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A high school friend of mine was a Marine sniper and his lightwieght gun was a Model 70 in 270 Weatherby, I'm not exactly sure about the gun model, I'll see him next week. He said the ammo they used was hot even for that round.
ReadyontheRight
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ReadyontheRight
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Forgot to add 1000 rounds of .22lr with a scoped, bull barrel pistol in aircraft and navy survival packs.
Chris Rhines
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The 6.5 Christopher II, of course. (Perhaps I should rename that cartridge...)
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Glock Glockler
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Chris,
Have you even figuered out what the 6.5mm Christopher II is? You don't think that the 6.5mm Glockler is powerful enough, so do you want a Czech 7.62x45 necked down to a 6.5mm?
Also, I gather this is for your assault rifle caliber, what do you want to use for your battle rifle caliber?
Have you even figuered out what the 6.5mm Christopher II is? You don't think that the 6.5mm Glockler is powerful enough, so do you want a Czech 7.62x45 necked down to a 6.5mm?
Also, I gather this is for your assault rifle caliber, what do you want to use for your battle rifle caliber?
I've read recent reports from troops in Iraq that said that their .223 rounds where actually quite effective as long as the BGs were hit COM or in the head. I think that .223 bullet design has finally come of age with the advent of the 75gr and 77gr OTM bullets that some of our units are using. Heck, Black Hills is even developing a 100gr round. I've read the review of this load over at AR15.com and its ballistics were pretty impressive.
I wouldn't look unfavorably on an upgrade to a 6.5mm bullet, but it seems like we would be moving on from the .223 just as we were getting it right...
I wouldn't look unfavorably on an upgrade to a 6.5mm bullet, but it seems like we would be moving on from the .223 just as we were getting it right...
meathammer
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.223 and .308
Why? Ammunition is already available almost anywhere. Main rifle should be chambered in .308. Carbine sized rifles for close quarters in .223. If it has to be one or the other, then .308.
Why? Ammunition is already available almost anywhere. Main rifle should be chambered in .308. Carbine sized rifles for close quarters in .223. If it has to be one or the other, then .308.
Grump
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None of the above. Something like the 6mm SAW, but I have some specific cartridge diameter and downrange performance preferences which it may or may not fully meet.
A 6 or 6.5mm for rifle and GPGM, .50 BMG for big stuff, and a SMG & PDW in the same caliber (Maybe like .40 S&W if we could get it to shoot accurately more reliably instead of as flukes!). Simplifies the supply lines, TO&E, and squad organization. No more of this SAW-MINIMI or whatever/M60/FN MAG or whatever mess of TWO different GPGMs being deployed as they are now.
We can beat the performance of the 7.62x51, especially at longer ranges, without being much bigger than the okay 5.56 NATO. That one's great, but we now have one rifle caliber, two MG calibers (one duped w/rifle), one primary PDW caliber, and a FIFTH caliber for the SOCOM pistol.
Have things really improved much since Korea and the "problems" the M14 was supposed to "solve"?????
A 6 or 6.5mm for rifle and GPGM, .50 BMG for big stuff, and a SMG & PDW in the same caliber (Maybe like .40 S&W if we could get it to shoot accurately more reliably instead of as flukes!). Simplifies the supply lines, TO&E, and squad organization. No more of this SAW-MINIMI or whatever/M60/FN MAG or whatever mess of TWO different GPGMs being deployed as they are now.
We can beat the performance of the 7.62x51, especially at longer ranges, without being much bigger than the okay 5.56 NATO. That one's great, but we now have one rifle caliber, two MG calibers (one duped w/rifle), one primary PDW caliber, and a FIFTH caliber for the SOCOM pistol.
Have things really improved much since Korea and the "problems" the M14 was supposed to "solve"?????
Bobarino
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i voted .308 only because .260 Remington wasn't there. i think it would be the perfect round for a combat weapon. i'd love to see an H&K G36 or the new XM8 (whatever its going to be) in .260 Remington. somewhere around 100grain bullets at 3000 fps-ish from a 20 inch barrel. perhaps a bull-pup. probably not ideal for all situations but the best compromise for an all arounder in my opinion.
Bobby
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Andrew wyatt, I like your idea but I think that the guys that do the close in fighting should have something that will leave a little bigger hole, so I voted for .30 Carbine. It doens't have the range of the .223, but for close up, it should hit a little harder.
For longer range troops, the .308 is the way to go. Maybe we could use the M14 again? Whatever we'd use, if it's a .308 is should be Semi auto only...
For longer range troops, the .308 is the way to go. Maybe we could use the M14 again? Whatever we'd use, if it's a .308 is should be Semi auto only...
WalkerTexasRanger
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6.5 PPC, yes 6.5 PPC. Watch the press, you will be soon hearing more about this special round....
twoblink
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I love the .243, but if you are going to use it; why not a .223 since it's already a standard? If you want more umph, then 308. So I voted for 3:
.22LR (subsonic, will give a good snipering job; also SWAT seems to like the Ruger 10/22 as does the Israeli military )
.223 (Just an ok round to me, I'd say out to about 175 yards, it's ok. past that, I start to question it.. but flat.. not enough umph
.308 Good umph. I think that 200-500 yard range is well covered by this.
.50Cal BMG should be next in line.
Who voted 45/70?? Awesome.
.22LR (subsonic, will give a good snipering job; also SWAT seems to like the Ruger 10/22 as does the Israeli military
).223 (Just an ok round to me, I'd say out to about 175 yards, it's ok. past that, I start to question it.. but flat.. not enough umph
.308 Good umph. I think that 200-500 yard range is well covered by this.
.50Cal BMG should be next in line.
Who voted 45/70?? Awesome.
ArMa
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I saw potential in the new .223 WSSM for a nice semi-auto, imagine the power... Colt should definatley look in to making an ar-15 chambered for 223 wssm 
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