i'm just getting into target shooting, and i was wondering what kind of rifle i should get. i already have a .270 that i have been hunting with for 8 years, but i want something with a little more punch. i was thinking maybe one of the many varieties of 7mm, i read an article about the stw being right on at 400 yards. or i could go with a .308, that's pretty proven. but i want something a little less common. i'm looking for something that shoots flat, and can reach out to long ranges; hopefully up to 1000 yards someday. i guess i just need your guys' opinions on this, any help is appreciated.
which gun for me?
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I think you sould go with a 6.5 Grendel more powerful than 308 and less recoil,thus
you can build it on a AR-15 platform.The 6.5G kicks a@$!! Just look into it,and
good luck.
you can build it on a AR-15 platform.The 6.5G kicks a@$!! Just look into it,and
good luck.
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Bartkowski
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I would not use 7STW for a target gun, because of the recoil, which gets annoying after so many shots, the bore wear, the cost of reloading such a big case, and there are other reasons no one else uses it for target shooting.
For target shooting I would recommend a .308, .30-06, 6.5x55, or any other 6.5mm. You don't need power as much as you need an accurate rifle that you know the ballistics of at the ranges you plan to shoot.
For target shooting I would recommend a .308, .30-06, 6.5x55, or any other 6.5mm. You don't need power as much as you need an accurate rifle that you know the ballistics of at the ranges you plan to shoot.
I don't think that this one is true, it just doesn't make much sense. The smaller bullet would have to move faster, assuming it weighs less, and since there is a force exerted on the gun and then to your shouler based on the weight and speed of the projectile that doesn't seem logical. And just because something is supposedly more powerful and has less recoil doesn't mean you can use it in an AR, although you can with the Grendel.
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To Bartkowski yes the 6.5G is a lot more powerful than 308 and not only that,
it goes a lot further than 308, also with lots more punch genious,looks like someone needs to do their homework, and if you think Iam wrong, go to Alexander arms or 6.5 Grendel.com and check out the balistics your self, oh by the way it also shoots alot more accurate than 308. To DSmoov you don't need to spend 6k on 6.5G, for about $850.00 is all you need for a complete upper to slap on your stanard AR-15 5.56 lower and you will have a kick a@$ rifle.Back to Bartkowski, maybe you should do some research before you bash people trying to help!
it goes a lot further than 308, also with lots more punch genious,looks like someone needs to do their homework, and if you think Iam wrong, go to Alexander arms or 6.5 Grendel.com and check out the balistics your self, oh by the way it also shoots alot more accurate than 308. To DSmoov you don't need to spend 6k on 6.5G, for about $850.00 is all you need for a complete upper to slap on your stanard AR-15 5.56 lower and you will have a kick a@$ rifle.Back to Bartkowski, maybe you should do some research before you bash people trying to help!
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what about a 7mm mag? my dad's long time hunting partner is selling his because he got a different rifle. it has a 4-14 power scope and the original wood stock. he bought it new in 1978 and hasn't used it much except for a few shots a year while hunting. he'll sell it to me for $300; would this be a decent long range gun?
Bartkowski
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I just checked the ballistics of the 6.5grendel at alexander arms, and at the muzzle, a 129gr bullet will move 2238fps with 1435 ft/lbs of energy. The .308 easily pushes a 150gr. bullet 2800fps with around 2650ft/lbs of energy at the muzzle. So please tell me where you found your ballistics. Maybe you read the Alexander Arms site saying that it out shot the 7.62 NATO and had 50% less recoil, meaning that it was more accurate in that gun and had less recoil, not more powerful.
The grendel ballistics are from a 14.5" barrel, but when they are in a 24" barrel it pushes a 140gr bullet 2240fps. Clearly 140grs moving 2240fps is less powerful than 150grs moving 2800fps, let alone the capabilities of the light mag or High energy loads offered moving a 180gr bullet 2740fps.
Please show proof of this. And next time you have an argument with someone, rather than using sarcasm and insults
I was by no means bashing anyone, just correcting you. You are the one that just sarcastically called me genious.
Could someone please chime in their opinions, I feel as if I am getting no where with gunfighter.
Back to DSmoov's questions. If it is a 7mm Rem mag, then its a very good choice, although there are better in my opinion. Anything that uses more powder than the Rem Mag seems excessive to me and is just going to wear out your gun and your shoulder faster. $300 isn't that bad of a deal if it hasn't been shot much, was taken care of and is made by a respectable gun manufacturer.
The grendel ballistics are from a 14.5" barrel, but when they are in a 24" barrel it pushes a 140gr bullet 2240fps. Clearly 140grs moving 2240fps is less powerful than 150grs moving 2800fps, let alone the capabilities of the light mag or High energy loads offered moving a 180gr bullet 2740fps.
Please show proof of this. And next time you have an argument with someone, rather than using sarcasm and insults
please think about how to prove your argument, without making something up and insulting me or anyone else. You come across as immature when you lower yourself to that sort of behavior.
I was by no means bashing anyone, just correcting you. You are the one that just sarcastically called me genious.
Could someone please chime in their opinions, I feel as if I am getting no where with gunfighter.
Back to DSmoov's questions. If it is a 7mm Rem mag, then its a very good choice, although there are better in my opinion. Anything that uses more powder than the Rem Mag seems excessive to me and is just going to wear out your gun and your shoulder faster. $300 isn't that bad of a deal if it hasn't been shot much, was taken care of and is made by a respectable gun manufacturer.
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What make and model 7mm Rem Mag rifle and scope?
If name brands, $300 is cheap. You can learn the ropes and when the barrel is worn out you can rebuild it as a real target rifle. But it would not be the first choice if you were buying new.
Do you handload? Are you an experienced and proficient handloader? If not, you will soon get sick of paying for matchgrade ammunition. Deer loads won't get the job done as the ranges get out past about 300 yards.
Lessee, now, Gunfighter 45, ol' buddy.
Alexander Arms' own company charts show the 6.5 Grendel firing a 123 gr Scenar at 2620 fps from a 24" barrel and retaining 500+ ft lbs energy at 900 yards. That is the best bullet they show for long range.
My .308 launches a 155 gr Scenar at 2850 fps and carries 500 ft lbs to 1200 yards. And a mild load at that, compared to what the Palma match guys use.
You were saying?
If name brands, $300 is cheap. You can learn the ropes and when the barrel is worn out you can rebuild it as a real target rifle. But it would not be the first choice if you were buying new.
Do you handload? Are you an experienced and proficient handloader? If not, you will soon get sick of paying for matchgrade ammunition. Deer loads won't get the job done as the ranges get out past about 300 yards.
Lessee, now, Gunfighter 45, ol' buddy.
Alexander Arms' own company charts show the 6.5 Grendel firing a 123 gr Scenar at 2620 fps from a 24" barrel and retaining 500+ ft lbs energy at 900 yards. That is the best bullet they show for long range.
My .308 launches a 155 gr Scenar at 2850 fps and carries 500 ft lbs to 1200 yards. And a mild load at that, compared to what the Palma match guys use.
You were saying?
The rifle is a remington mag for sure, and i'm about 50% posotive it's a 700. the scope is a nikon, not sure what model but it is a fairly recent addition, i think he got it around 2000. i have been reloading my own ammunition as of lately, but i wouldn't say i'm good at it by any means. another question, when i do have to replace the barrel, if i go with a thicker/heavier barrel will that last longer than a thinner?
Bartkowski
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If its a 700 with a nikon that I would guess is a 4.5-14x?? buckmasters, I would get that gun even if it don't use it for target shooting. You don't ever have to replace the barrel unless it is unsafe to hand the firing of the cartridge, but you will want to once accuracy gets to be less than what you want. I don't think that a thicker barrel will last longer but I am not sure so someone else may be able to help. I think that a fluted barrel might last longer because it would cool off faster, but again I am not sure.
Thank you for backing me up on this.
Thank you for backing me up on this.
v8stang289
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$300 is definately a good deal for a Rem 700 with a nikon(If its all in good shape). It may not be ideal for target shooting, but it will work with the right loads and will be a good rifle in general.
Jim Watson
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You would use a heavier barrel when you replace the original because it is steadier on target and is a heat sink to heat up slower which means it will hold its accuracy better as you fire a long string. Will that make it last longer? I dunno, but all the target rifles I see have heavy barrels. Go along with the crowd. A new stock at the same time will help, too. You will end up with nothing left of that rifle but the action, but all that is a ways in the future. Have fun.
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