Which Model 70 Super Grade?

[PointOfAim]

so, I'm thinking of getting a Winchester M70 Super Grade... wish they had more calibers to choose from, but don't like the magnums so it's either the 270 Win or the 30-06 Spfld... what would be the iconic M70 caliber choice of the two... I'd get one of each if I wouldn't end up in the dog house, you know how that goes...

 

[Robert]

I don't know that you can go wrong with either one. Some help I am...

 

[EchoM70]

I would go with .270 Win, but that's just me. Like Robert said you can't go wrong with either one.

 

[jmr40]

I'm a 30-06 guy, but as I've gotten older I've decided there isn't a bit of difference in performance between the 2 with modern loadings. In 1930 they were loaded very differently, but today there isn't a darn thing you can do with one that cannot be done with the other.

Just my opinion, but the Supergrade is a big honking gun, better suited to larger calibers. To me the iconic Winchester is the Featherweight. Mine are in 30-06, but Jack O'Connor carried a custom stocked Featherweight in 270.

In fact they are offering a Jack O'Connor Tribute rifle this year. It is a Featherweight in a copy of JOC's custom stock. Not that much more expensive than the Supergrade.

http://www.winchesterguns.com/products/catalog/detail.asp?family=001C&mid=535145

 

[Welding Rod]

For me I think it would come down to which ever inspected out as a nicer sample of a gun. I would give them a good look for barrel float, wood, trigger break, action smoothness, play between bolt and reciever, and so on. Which ever looked like a better sample would get the nod.

Eigher way, good for you, Those are darn fine rifles!

 

[Kachok]

270 vs 30-06 Ah the classic question. Well to me that depends on if you only hunt deer sized game or if you go bigger. 270 is very close to the perfect deer round, but does not surpass the 30-06 for larger game, it is hard to argue with 200+gr bullets for very large animals.
I faced that very same decision just a few month ago, and while I normally hunt deer, we do have some very large feral hogs here so I got the .30 cal just in case

 

[mshootnit]

30-06 is what I would recommend. I think 270 is OK but 30-06 is a more solid performer in my book. When I helped run a deer check station I asked the hunters what rifle they were using and it was about 75% 30-06.

 

[Jimfern]

Both are great rounds. I would lean towards 30-06 because there are more bullet weight options 270 goes from 100 to 150 grains, more or less and 30-06 goes from 100 to 200 grains, more or less.

 

[sage5907]

The 30-06 and the 270 Winchester are my two favorite rounds and you can't go wrong with either one of them. I have several rifles for both cartridges and if you are an experienced shooter I would recommend a rifle with the 22 inch featherweight barrel contour. It will shoot just as well as a 24 inch barrel and is far easier to carry in the field. If you're hunting out of a box blind or shooting targets a heavier sporter weight 24 inch barrel is better. As to recoil, there's not much difference between the two. Either rifle should be equipped with a Pachmayr decelerator pad and some of the Winchesters come with that pad. A 270 has a sharp jab when loading a 130 grain bullet at 3000 fps hunting velocities. A 30-06 when loaded with 51 grains of IMR 4064 and a 150 grain bullet for about 2900 fps has about the same recoil but the jab is not as sharp. A 30-06 when loaded with a 165 grain bullets at 2850 fps has somewhat heavier recoil than either of the other loads. These are my favorite loads and my personal favorite is a 30-06. BW

 

[jmr40]

The bullet weight vs trajectory argument is completely irrelevent in 2012. It was an issue back in 1930, but with today's bullet and powder technology is totally irrelevent today.

Load either with a 150 gr bullet and they can both be shot at 3000+ fps from a 22" barrel. The trajectories will be almost identical and with modern bullets will kill any animal in N. America.

The fact that the 30-06 shoots 200-250 gr bullets is irrelevent since there is no reason to shoot anything heavier than 180's with today's bullets. A 270 can be loaded with 160's and shoot them at the same speeds as a 30-06 with 180's, 2850ish. Despite the slight weight advantage the 270's slightly better sectonal density will probably out penetrate the 180. No animal will ever notice the .031" difference in diameter.

 

[dprice3844444]

they don't make military ball in 270

 

[Flatbush Harry]

I have a Win M70 EW in .30-06 (a 0.75 MOA shooter)and a Ruger 77RSI in .270 Win (a sub 1 MOA shooter with Nosler BTs). I love both rounds and both rifles. I, too, am thinking of a Win M70 Supergrade, but I will probably go for the 7mm Rem Magnum. While you commented that you're not a magnum guy, the recoil of most 7mm RM loads is virtually the same as a .30-06, yet it can also produce some very fast rounds. As to the .30-06, the Alaskan series looks great as well.

Of course, I have rifles in .224, .257, .264, .277 and various .308 cals so I have a small gap in the line-up at .243 and .284, as well as everything under .458. Ah, what to do, what to do?

Cheers,

FH

 

[skoro]

Since you asked, I'd say 30-06. But that's just my personal preference. The -06 has a lot more history behind it, so it's a sentimental favorite. The hard truth is you can't go wrong with either one.

 

[Scrumbag]

For my money I'd go with the .30-06 because of the flexibility in bullet weights particularly if you want to shoot heavier bullets for pigs.

(However, .270 is a great round, can't go wrong with either really)

Enjoy your shooting!

Scrummy

 

[Picher]

I almost always recommend the .30-06 for a hunting rifle and used one for many years with great success. It's shot crows, woodchucks, deer, fox, coyote, and even a red squirrel (on a dare).

That said, I now shoot .270 Win and .243 Win for most deer and varmint situations. The .270 is used mostly for deer and the .243 Win for eastern coyotes at ranges up to about 350 yards.

The .270 Win has the nice ability to shoot bullets from 90 grains to 130 grains to the same point of impact. I'd never been able to do that with any other calibers. The 90 grain Sierra hollow points are excellent for informal target shooting and in a pinch, varmints out to 250 yards or so.

The .270 was purchased because my .22-250 was kicked out of a turkey shoot because nobody could beat it. The 90 grain, mild handloads work great for informal target shoots.

 

[jgh4445]

I was fortunate enough to get mine in a 25-06. Its a bit older. I agree with Welding Rod's post. Inspect them and pick the best example. 270..30-06..not much difference anymore.

 

[az_imuth]

I was in the same boat not too long ago, and knowing very little about the attributes of the .30-06 vs. .270, I decided to get the SG in .30-06 first. My reasoning was that I also wanted a featherweight and I felt the lower-recoiling .270 would be better suited to that rifle. Still haven't purchased the featherweight, but haven't given up on the idea yet either.
Here are a few shots of the SG I received in late 2010...

 

[joed]

I, too, am thinking of a Win M70 Supergrade, but I will probably go for the 7mm Rem Magnum. While you commented that you're not a magnum guy, the recoil of most 7mm RM loads is virtually the same as a .30-06, yet it can also produce some very fast rounds. As to the .30-06, the Alaskan series looks great as well.

FH

I owned a 7mm Mag for a number of years in a model 70 Classic. Maybe it's just me but that cartridge just kicks to much. I ended up selling that rifle and keeping another chambered in .300 H&H, believe me it kicked less.

 

[Kachok]

The 7mm Rem Mag kicks harder then the numbers would imply. On paper it does not kick any harder then the 30-06 but I can tell you from many years experience with both that the 7mm Rem Mag most certainly has a good bit more recoil. The 270 win is a bit of a sissy, the recoil is well under the 30-06 with 130gr bullets, and feels like half of the kick of the 7mm RM. The 270 win is the most powerful caliber that I feel I can shoot all day without hurting myself so it is something of a golden middle for me. Before anyone starts talking stock fit I had them in the exact same model of rifle with the same recoil pad.