Which of the Dem candidates seem least offensive?

Whic of the following is the LEAST offensive?

  • Clark

    Votes: 3 3.6%

  • Kerry

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Dean

    Votes: 16 19.3%

  • Sharpton

    Votes: 12 14.5%

  • Kucinich

    Votes: 1 1.2%

  • Lieberman

    Votes: 49 59.0%

  • Braun

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Gephardt

    Votes: 1 1.2%

  • Edwards

    Votes: 1 1.2%
  • Total voters
    83
  • Poll closed .
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Didn't say he'd do any good, but by saying he won't pass any more laws he won't do any harm. Don't focus this on a single issue either.
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Last I heard, he favors closing the "gun show loophole" and opposes the bill protecting gun manufacturers from frivilous lawsuits. This is pandering to the gun control crowd, because as governor gun control was a non-issue and he never did anything about it either way. This hasn't won him any friends in the Brady crowd however - they've all come out against him.

I saw a US News interview where he actually admitted that gun control didn't do any good.
 
I'm surprised people voted for Sharpton here. The question is who is most offensive, not who you hope will get nominated so the Democrats lose.
 
on Dean: Club, as I said, from a gun point of view, I do not want the Democratic apparatus he would bring along with him; the chances of his picking a progun AG, judges, cabinet members etc is nil. Also, as I said, he may dance to the tune of Soros, who IS a gun banner.

To those who point out that Bush has not done much for us, remember that we pick the better of the candidates. If my choice is Bush vs any of the Dems, I pick Bush - why? think of the damage Gore WOULD have done, and any of the others COULD do.
 
To those who point out that Bush has not done much for us, remember that we pick the better of the candidates. If my choice is Bush vs any of the Dems, I pick Bush - why? think of the damage Gore WOULD have done, and any of the others COULD do.
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Choosing the lesser of two evils is still choosing EVIL...

We must endeavor to find better candidates & support them. Even if that means looking to third-party candidates.
 
Implosion of Democrat Party

It gives me great pleasure to contemplate that this crop of yokels makes the likes of Mike Dukakis, Walter Mondale, George McGovern, and especially HHH look like statesmen by comparison.:uhoh: There is no help for Jimma Carta, though. He will be judged by history for the idjit of the 20th century that he is. :scrutiny:
 
Lieberman. Unfortunately, he's a lifelong public servant with, for me, insufficient exposure to the private sector, and has become infected with too many of the far left's favorite ideas. The Joe Lieberman who once backed school vouchers is the one I might have been able to vote for.
 
The Brady Campaign said Dean is bad, and not to vote for him because he was pro-gun. I take that as good.
 
lieberman seems to be the most stable. My uncle works for Kerry's wife and has met kerry but found him to be arrogany/elitist...
 
And Bush's judges will be pro-Patriot Act (I & II) and therefore anti-Bill of Rights (except for lip service to the second, up until they grab that one, also).
 
think of the damage Gore WOULD have done, and any of the others COULD do.
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Conjecture (btw, i don't like gore).

That statement is based on several "what if's" a common tactic used by anti-gunners. That's like saying a law abiding citizen carrying a concealed weapon is bad, Why? well, WHAT IF he decided to go shoot children in a park? Well, WHAT IF a Dean is elected? What if? He might do this, He might do that, but so far he looks promising and he has a record that backs it up.

Compare bush to the guy who's already got a long criminal history. we've shown bush can't be trusted, he DOES appoint people who are bad for freedom and not only supports laws that take away our rights, but passes them.

Back to the question that no one can seem to answer, what good has Bush done for this country?
 
"Conjecture."

Yep, pure conjecture. That's all you have to go on in this kind of situation.

I remember, though, participating in a similar thread in the old Compuserve Firearms Forum when Bush I was running against Clinton.

A lot of people actually thought that Bill Clinton wouldn't be a bad choice for President, and that he would probably leave gunowners alone...

Yeah. Right.
 
"Which WWII dictator was the least offensive: Hitler, Mussolini, Tojo, Stalin, or Franco?"...


Easy, Franco
 
Conjecture?

No, Conjecture is the generation of an hypothesis. I tested an hypothesis on the basis of records:

When running in 2000, Gore wanted:
Require photo licensing for handgun purchases.
Limit gun purchases to one per month and require a three-day waiting period.
Require manufacturers and federally licensed sellers to report sales to a state authority.

and, of course, he was also a major supporter of the Brady Bill.

Bush has done NOTHING of the kind.
QED

The "conjecture" hypothesis has been refuted.

AND...there are some interesting similarities between Gore and Dean:

First, let's all agree that predicting the future is a tough business. Testing of such hypotheses requires drawing on disparate evidence (Whewell, in his 1840 book, called this "Consilience of Inductions"). So, consider these two statements:

ON GORE: In an interview last weekend, the Vice President said his early views of the issue reflected the perspective of a Congressman from a rural part of the South where "guns did not really present a threat to public safety but rather were predominantly a source of recreation."
citation: http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/time/2000/02/07/gun.html

DEAN:Vermont has one of the lowest homicide rates in the United States. During my 11 years as Governor, the highest number of murders in a single year was 25 and the lowest number was five. Over half of these were domestic assaults, and the majority were not committed with a firearm...If you say “gun control†in Vermont or Wyoming, people think it means taking away their hunting rifle. If you say "gun control" in New York City or Los Angeles, people are relieved at the prospect of having Uzis or illegal handguns taken off the streets. They’re both right. That’s why I think Vermont ought to be able to have a different set of laws than California.
citation: http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/PageServer?pagename=policy_statement_civilrights_sensiblegunlaws

So, Dean's gun position can be summed up as: gun rights are about hunting. If you actually NEED a gun for self-defense (like in D.C.) forget it.

Sounds like most gun-grabbing Dems to me (I do like some Dems: Mark Warner of VA is pretty good, as is the retiring Zell Miller).
 
It's impossible to compare clinton, gore and dean. They are completely different candidates. For some reason i think that if dean ran under a third party more republicans would like him. I like dean because dean is a candidate that the democratic party doesn't really like. They put up with him because they think he can win. You can't say "Howard Dean will set up gun control because bill clinton did," They're two different people. A vermont liberal is a heck of a lot different than a southern liberal.

However, it is possible to compare George W Bush to himself. George W. Bush did pass the patriot act. George W. Bush did set up the military tribunals.

Why would you vote for someone who has already proven himself to be bad for freedom as opposed to voting for someone who might, due to some misguided reasoning in the head of some republican, be bad for freedom, although the evidence shows otherwise?

And the question that no one has answered STILL: What good has George Bush done for this country?
 
Originally posted by clubsoda22:
And the question that no one has answered STILL: What good has George Bush done for this country?
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1. Lowered taxes, twice!

2. Taken the fight to the terrorists instead of waiting for them to attack and then reacting.

3. Driven the Democrats crazy.

President Bush has also done things that I disagree with, as has every past President. And as will every FUTURE President. That's the nature of politics. I still find President Bush to be much better than the alternative would have been and better than Howard Dean would be.
 
Amen Cactus!


"And the question that no one has answered STILL: What good has George Bush done for this country?"

1. He has cut our taxes twice despite extreme pressure not to.
2. He has canned some of the more absurd Clinton environmental regs.
3. He canned Kyoto.
4. He appointed an AG that *gasp* asserted that the 2A is an individual right!
5. He hasn't signed any new gun legislation.
6. He hasn't pushed for any new gun legislation. And don't give me any crap about the AWB. Why do you think VPC and its friends are so furious about Bush's "I'll sign it if it gets here" policy?- Because they know it is a death sentence for their precious AWB.
7. He showed the world that we don't give a sh!+ what they think when it comes to protecting ourselves.
8. A booming economy after helping the country recover from the tech bubble and 9/11 uncertainties.
9. We got Saddam.
10. We freed, oh, 50 million people from oppression.
11. He pissed off the French, Russians, Chinese, Iranians, etc. You know, all those countries that have always had our best interests at heart.
12. He pissed off the Democrats (see 11 for uncomfortable list of allies).
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Hey, I don't care for everything Bush has done, but no one could meet that standard. It is easy to be ideologically pure and be a Libertarian--because you are free from all responsibilities. No one takes Libertarians seriously and they have zero chance of being elected. They are perpetual Monday morning QBs who can rest confident that they will never be called to make a decision of consequence.

GHB
 
1. He has cut our taxes twice despite extreme pressure not to.
2. He has canned some of the more absurd Clinton environmental regs.
3. He canned Kyoto.
4. He appointed an AG that *gasp* asserted that the 2A is an individual right!
5. He hasn't signed any new gun legislation.
6. He hasn't pushed for any new gun legislation. And don't give me any crap about the AWB. Why do you think VPC and its friends are so furious about Bush's "I'll sign it if it gets here" policy?- Because they know it is a death sentence for their precious AWB.
7. He showed the world that we don't give a sh!+ what they think when it comes to protecting ourselves.
8. A booming economy after helping the country recover from the tech bubble and 9/11 uncertainties.
9. We got Saddam.
10. We freed, oh, 50 million people from oppression.
11. He pissed off the French, Russians, Chinese, Iranians, etc. You know, all those countries that have always had our best interests at heart.
12. He pissed off the Democrats (see 11 for uncomfortable list of allies).
13. etc...
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1) And the national debt is what? Where'd all this money come from that he's giving back to us? Overall the tax cuts have done nothing to help americans as a whole because a very large percentage are now unemployed and the majority of america isn't getting much money, compounded with the fact that the value of the dollar now sucks. A bunch of rich people got a lot of money and i'm busy tutoring kids in the city who have to do their homework without textbooks or photocopies because the school can't afford it.

2&3) A healthy dose of smog never hurt anyone...A lot of clintons environmenta regs were BS, and let it never be said that i liked clinton, but bush has shown reckless disregard for the environment.

4) John Ashcroft is a plauge. He may be pro gun, but he is the most athoritarian, ANTI-FREEDOM person ever to hold the office. His devotion to "family values" also pisses me off. I don't need his values imposed on my family.

5&6) True, we'll see come next september (which is mercifully before the election). Lets look at some leislation that he has signed though. Tell me the patriot act won't make it easier for the government to take our guns in the future. It's a bad precident, next major terror attack i fulley expect to have to hand 'em all in "for our own safety".

7) Yeah, why not make more people hate us...that's the way to curb terrorism. :rolleyes:

8) ever wonder how exactly he did that? So do a lot of economists. The truth is that the market leveled itself after the bubble popped, no thanks to any Democrats or republicans.

9&10) good for the freaking iraquis...what good has he done for this country, not iraq. And don't give me any crap about him being a future threat unless you can pull some WMD out of your rear end...or did we all forget what the war was supposed to be about. Also, free is a relative term.

11) Who needs allies, we're the big bad united states. Making people pissed is not a good thing, especially when the unforseen happens and you end up having to beg them for assistance. The guy screwed up allienced that were decades in the making. NOT good for this country. Also, alliences are never about another countries best interests, they are about self interest.

12) Yeah, screw that bi-partisan stuff he ranted and raved about during the elections.:rolleyes:
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You know, Sharpton is probably the most honest one on the list and therefore least offensive to me. Honest in the sense of speaking his mind before he consults the polls and focus groups instead of after like the others.

I'm not voting for any of them, so it doesn't really matter.

John
 
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