Which press to purchase?

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racerngr1

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I want the Dillon 650 but really can't afford it and want to see what other options I have. I am looking for an auto indexing press. I currently have a single stage press that takes for ever (1 Hour for 50 bullets) to make pistol ammo which is what I shoot the most of. Are there any other presses I should be looking at? I am currently interested the most in .40 S & W, 9mm, and would like to do 5.56 (even though I don't currently have a gun to fire it from but would like one soon). Thanks for the help.
 
Hornady LnL AP will fill the bill nicely. Not cheap but less than the Dillon.

There is always the Lee Pro 1000. Has a history of being finicky but I tend to think it more operator error than anything else.
 
I'm not doing this to make money so I'm not trying to do like 500 per hour; however, I just want something that make's more sense. As far as cost, I'm just looking for a good value, I'll spend a few hundred dollars but $650 seems like a bit much for what I'm doing.
 
I would recommend the same as LGB. Most of us with the classic turret load close to 200 rounds per hour. Mine has been very reliable over the last four years.
 
I have a Lee 1000 in 44mag/44spc that i started with. It is a nice unit, but you really have to pay attention and sometimes help it along. I have loaded several thousand rounds on it. I can load about 200 per hour on it. Midway has them for 159.99. They come compleat with dies,shell plate, powder disks. Everything you need except brass, powder and primers. I recomend it as a entry level reloader.
I also have a Hornady LnL AP. This is a better made, higher quality Press. But it will set you back about 500.00 by the time you buy the press, dies and shellplate. It is worth the money.i can reload about 300 per hour on it, but many people can go 400 or better. Either one is better than a single stage for pistol ammo. Good luck!
 
The Lee Classic Turret will make life better for you. 150-200 rounds per hour at a normal pace will save you time. For a hundred bucks it's a bargain and a half. The quality of the press is very good. It's also very strong being cast iron and steel. I have zero problems using mine.
 
Thanks for the heads up.

I'm tempted to go buy a 650 Dillon as the last press I will ever buy; however, with my first baby due in April, and getting ready to start escrow on a house this week, it's going to be a tough sell.
 
Why the hang-up about auto-index?

If you're leaning in the direction of the Dillon 650, should we assume you have a fairly large budget?

I went with Dillon back before any of these other makers had much in the way of progressives (back when the 550 was new). First a Square Deal that sold me on the Dillon concept then a 550 that is still cranking out great ammo. Now I have 2 550Bs set large and small primers and 12 or 14 complete caliber changes so the switch-over is about five minutes.

A hundred rounds is about a fifteen minute effort including all the clean-up and such--a thousand rounds is an afternoon or an evening.

FYI, I raised three kids, two are through college and the youngest will graduate HS in three months.
 
Are you new to reloading? If not what have you been reloading with and what is your experience.

I currently have a single stage press that takes forever (1 Hour for 50 bullets) to make pistol ammo which is what I shoot the most of

Have you considered used reloading presses for less $$$ than new retail? They are plenty available on ebay/craigslist/THR buy/sell/trade etc.
 
I would say if you want a progressive, get one. I started with one, and did not regret it.

If you don't mind proprietary dies and are willing to forgoe rifle loading, the Dillon Square deal B is a good setup (don't have one yet.)

You may want to try a loadmaster if you're on a budget.

Here's a video that shows the loadmaster in action:
http://ultimatereloader.com/?p=632

Note that you have to play close attention with the Loadmaster, but it can produce fine ammo. About $250 ready to roll with one caliber.

I've also got videos of the following presses on the same site:
- Hornady Lock-N-Load AP (Check out the free bullet deals for press and dies)
- Dillon XL-650
- RCBS Pro 2000
- Hornady Lock-N-Load Classic
- Redding T-7 turret

I'll soon have videos of the Lee Classic Turret (cast iron). It seems to be a good press.

For pistol ammo, I would go for a progressive. One box of ammo is 50 pulls of the lever, not 200 pulls as it would be on a single-stage or turret :)
 
I would get a Dillon Square deal B for the pistol ammo, I've got a 650 and reloading .223 is a pain sometimes. I'm probably going to get a turret press for my rifle loads but having an auto indexing progressive is really nice for pistol. If i were buying the equiptment today I would start with the SDB and then a lee turret press using dillon dies.
 
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I currently have a single stage press that takes forever (1 Hour for 50 bullets) to make pistol ammo which is what I shoot the most of

Sorry I missed that.

What is taking you so long? I load in batches of 50 rounds, using 2 single stage presses mounted side by side, 1 is equiped with a Lee Auto Disk for flaring and charging, the other seats and crimps the bullet. Can knock out 200 rounds per hour if I hurry. Priming is done with a hand primer.
 
My budget is not huge by any means. I just don't want to buy another press setup and a few sets of dies etc. I'm thinking just buy it once and be done with it for many years to come.
 
Let me start by saying that I don't want to offend anyone and if anyone is offended, it is not intentional. I'm saying this because some take criticism of their equipment personally.

I've loaded on lots of different presses. I started out on the Lee 1000, then Loadmaster, been through the LNL and I believe every model in Dillon's line. I'd put this thing about auto indexing being an issue out of my mind. It isn't an issue at all and having it doesn't make you go any faster. In fact, on those occassions when things get screwed up, auto indexing is more of a PITA than it's worth.

If you have a really tight budget, the Lee's will work. They will get the job done, but WILL require occassional (or more than just occassional) tinkering to keep them working right. I really don't think that I know of anyone that regretted upgrading from a Lee to a Hornady or Dillon and I don't think that I know of anyone that went from a Hornady or Dillon to a Lee because they thought the Lee was a better machine. Those that have never loaded on anything other than a Lee, just don't know how much better it can be.

That having been said, I'd have to give the Dillon 550b a vote. The 550 is like using four single stage presses at once. It's operation is that simple. To index, you just flick the little handle on the shell plate with your thumb. Maintenance is very simple and is pretty much limited to just cleaning and lubing the press from time to time. Caliber changes are quick and less expensive than they are for the 650. I know a lot of people that love their 650, when they are working right. They are more sensitive to being kept clean and there is more to go wrong than on a 550, so there is more maintenance. Caliber change kits are also a lot more expensive. The one real advantage that the 650 had over the 550 was that you could add a case feeder to the 650. You can now add that to the 550 also, so it's a moot point.

The Square Deal B is a very tempting setup, due to price; but, I'd steer clear of it. It just doesn't have the mass or leverage of the bigger presses and just seating primers can get to be a chore. The press is small with a very limited amount of work space. Loading on it just feels cramped. Another downside is that the dies are proprietary. You HAVE to use the Dillon SDB dies with it. Some might not mind that, but there are some die sets that I prefer to have from another manufacturer, like for .45.

The Hornady LNL is a nice press. I just never warmed up to it. I was never crazy about auto indexing. Like I said, it can be more of a PITA than it's worth.

I'd say go for a 550b. The only reason that I'd consider going with a 650 is for the extra die station, if you think you'd use it for maybe a powder check setup or something. The auto indexing doesn't even factor in.

The only press that I still have is my 550b and in the last month I've loaded about 8K rounds on it in three different calibers. I doubt that anyone using a Lee 1000 or Loadmaster can say that they loaded 8K rounds without having to fiddle with the machine at least once.

As for many years to come, I bought my 550b in 1997 and the only thing that I've had to change on it is the spring in the primer seater cup. The spare parts bag or kit that I bought when I first got the press is still sealed and I don't even know what dealing with Dillon is like because I've never had to, although I've heard that their customer service is excellent.
 
I had the Lee Classic Turret press but finally gave up on it due to the finicky primer feed, and I kept stripping out the auto index drive (that little square plastic bit). I fell into a deal on a Dillon 550 that I'm quite happy with. In fact, I just got in from loading several hundred rounds out in the man cave. :)


-Matt
 
The Pro 1000 is a lot of press for the money, but if you need more than 3 stations, it's not able to handle that.

Since racerngr1 already has a single stage, if he deprime/size on the single stage, he'll have 3 stations available on the Pro 1000 ...

I doubt that anyone using a Lee 1000 or Loadmaster can say that they loaded 8K rounds without having to fiddle with the machine at least once.
I load up to several thousand rounds a month on Pro 1000. Yes, I do "fiddle" with the Pro 1000 at the start of each reloading session by cleaning all the moving parts, lightly lubing all the parts and checking the shell plate timing. I routinely load 1000+ rounds per session and do not have to make any other adjustments.

I will admit that the primer feed has been an issue with the Pro 1000 for me. Because of this, I have considered going to the Dillon 550 as I was taught to reload on it (but did not like the manual index) and even considered the 650 as I saw a used one at a good price with the motorized case feeder. My wife asked me if there was an "alternate" solution to my primer feed issue other than replacing the press. I told her separately depriming/sizing and hand priming the cases would "solve" the problem - she smiled. I got a used single stage press at a gun show ($25) to deprime/size and ordered the Lee Auto Prime and never looked back.
 
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