Which press to purchase?

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My budget is not huge by any means. I just don't want to buy another press setup and a few sets of dies etc. I'm thinking just buy it once and be done with it for many years to come

Sounds like the 650 is what you really want if so buy it you'll kick yourself if you don't . I use the Lee Classic Turret , great press it'll kick out 300 pistol rounds an hour without much effort , I also use a Dillon Square Deal B, I use it more then the Lee for pistol.
If you don't talk yourself into the 650 the LCT will serve you very well if your also planing on rifle if pistol only go the SDB
 
Whatever you do, get a good press. Don't get something that comes with caveats, "like it works well, but..." My advise would be to spend a bit more than you can afford to. If you don't, you'll likely regret it down the road.
 
TonyAngel has some good points about auto-indexing - it can create some painful moments if something gets jammed.

I consider auto-indexing a "must-have" feature in a progressive for the primary reason of safety (MUCH less likely to double charge on an auto-index) and a secondary reason of workflow.

With any progressive press- if you do jam things up or interrupt your workflow AT ALL, stop, take a minute and double check EVERYTHING. Don't ever be in a hurry in those situations. If you have stations to spare, put in a powder check die to "cover your back".
 
+1 for the videos on UltimateReloader.com. One of the great things about reloading, is you can get started on a very limited budget and upgrade or add new equipment later.

I started with an RCBS Rockchucker, then a Lee Pro 1000 and finally a LnL AP. I don't regret any of these choices. The main reason I went with the Hornady over a Dillon was the free bullet offer.
With a Pro 1000 1/3 the cost of a 650 or LnL AP an apples to apples comparison is hardly fair.
Each press if properly operated will load ammo just as good and just as accurate as any other IMHO.
 
One of the reasons I first started really looking into the auto indexing/progressive reloaders is because my brother in law was shooting some of my reloaded ammo and I guess I forgot to put powder in one of the bullets. He pulled the trigger and the bullet got jammed in the barrel :banghead:. That was a real eye opener for me so now I'm much more careful when reloading. Anyways, that was kind of a point that UltimateReloader" touched on was the powder check die which is something I really want.
 
Has anbody bought a press and made bullet's too fast and then gotten bored. If some of these presses can make 500 bullets in 10 minutes, I could see getting bored really quick. One of the things that's fun for me is to go sit in the garage for a few hours and make bullets.
 
racerngr1: If you haven't seen the RCBS bullet feeder in action, it can make progressive presses pound out ammo at an alarming rate!

HD vid of XL-650 loading 9mm with the RCBS bullet feeder
http://ultimatereloader.com/?p=674

Once you get your powder check die setup and your consumables stocked, just pull the lever and watch the ammo come spitting out. I was a bit amazed at how fast the ammo piled up when I started using this thing....

Great for competition shooters, bad for those that like to "stretch out" the loading experience :)
 
When I decided to start reloading, I looked at Lee, Hornady, and Dillon... for weeks and weeks, comparing features and reading posts by other owners. It was almost painful to force myself to choose SOMETHING, else spend the rest of my life just reading and debating. Some people always suggest to start on a single, as a progressive is too complex for beginners. I didn't, and have never regretted that decision.

The first decision I made was price. The Dillon 650 was out of that range for me.

The next decision was turret vs progressive. I don't want to pull a handle 4 times for every single shell. So that took my list to the Lee Loadmaster, Dillon SBD, Dillon 550, and Hornady LNL-AP.

The SDB was eliminated because it doesn't use standard dies.

I also evaluated auto-index vs manual. The Loadmaster and LNL do this, the 550 does not. I personally believe this is a very convenient feature, and can add to the safety factor. I don't believe any problems it has (ie, if you have to stop, and back up) are much of a negative factor at all. Raise the ram, and back the plate up - done.

Next was number of stations: i wanted 5, so I could use a powder check die if I wanted to, and still seat/crimp in 2 different stations. Again, that eliminated the Dillon.

Ergonomically, I did not want to have to take my right hand off that handle and pick things up for every round. The Dillon loads from both sides (bullet on one side, shell on the other), so that was a negative to me.

So from here, my choice was Lee or Hornady. I compared prices, and build materials/quality. Though I was impressed with Lee's pricing, there were elements of the machine that didn't appeal to me. With the LNL, the price was higher, but certain things - such as the rotary powder measure - seemed more like what I would be happy with. The Lee seemed a bit like a contraption, whereas the LNL seemed engineered.

So though the price was probably 40% or more, I bought the LNL. I've been extremely happy with it.

Everyone has different needs. You might not need 5 stations, or you might have less budget. All the presses above make good ammo. None of them are a BAD choice, but every one requires you give something up... either a particular feature, or some more money.

I also want to add this: my comments on the Lee gear aren't meant to be insulting. It just wasn't what I was looking for. I know they are popular, and people that are much more experienced reloaders than I am make great ammo with them. I personally don't care what machine anyone uses - to me, it's a machine - not my girlfriend or my child. People get too wrapped up in defending their brand, or knocking others' choices. The important thing to me is that we reload (and shoot), not what tools we use when we do it.

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This thread is one of the best I've seen for thoughtful discussions of the features of the different progressive presses.

I own and load on a Lee Load-Master. I have it running smoothly, but I wouldn't buy it again. IMO, the design has some underdeveloped parts of the system--primarily, the primer feed system. That subsystem can be trouble-prone. OTOH, I consider the indexing system to be both ingenious and trouble-free--once it is tweaked. Further, it can be instantaneously disabled--so the press can operate with or without auto-indexing. I do consider auto-indexing to be both a safety feature and a desirable / mandatory feature for progressive reloading.

Were I to buy a progressive again--and currently, I don't need one, nor do I find loading on a progressive all that enjoyable any more--I'd look hardest at the LNL.

Keep in mind that progressives are not good presses for load development--i.e., small runs with changes. Yes, it can be done--I did hundreds of load development sets on my Pro 1000--but it is (IMO) not the press for it. A Lee turret is the best for that work as it can be reliably used as a SS.

Meanwhile, UltimateReloader's site is wonderful--it is truly the first single-stop resource for understanding this stuff. Caveats to you, UltimateReloader.

Jim H.
 
I don't see anyone recommending the Pro-2000 yet, so here are my two cents:

I changed from a Dillon 650 to the Pro-2000 last year, and I consider the Pro-2000 to be a step up in the quality of materials and construction. The warranty is the same; RCBS will take care of any problems with no hassle.

The Pro-2000 is the only press that I know of with the APS priming system. The APS priming strips are much quicker and easier to load than primer tubes, plus they eliminate the risk of chain ignition in the press. I don't have near as many flipped primers with the RCBS press as I did with the Dillon, plus I don't have to take apart the whole priming system if anything does get messed up. If I have leftover primers at the end of a loading session, I can just cover the APS strips with tape and store primers in the strips.

The Pro-2000 has a cast iron frame, and most of the small parts are steel. The shell plates fit the brass well, and the shell plate indexing is positive and precise. It has a rotary powder measure with micrometer adjustment, so it throws consistent charges and is fairly easy to duplicate old settings. I like to load 30-06 and 308 in addition to a few pistol calibers, and I think the Pro-2000 does a great job loading full length rifle cartridges. The press comes with a star wheel, so you have the option of auto indexing or manual indexing. It is very easy to remove cartidges from the shell plate if the sequence gets interupted for any reason.

The only real downside to the Pro-2000 is that no case feeder is available for it. I like to inspect and sort pistol brass while I am feeding the press, so I don't consider that a negative for pistol loading. A feeder would be nice for rifle brass that has already been prepped, though.
 
That's my next press. I Sold my Loadmaster to get the Pro 2000.
Also have the RCBS Rock Chucker. The Quality of the RCBS products are EXCELLENT!
 
I to find reloading a nice whay to relaxe. I find leaning back in my chair with my dog in my lap staring at a buck full of ammo even more relaxing.
 
Dillon Guy Votes for Hornady LNL

The Hornady Lock-N-Load AP is well within your price range and almost meets your production goal without a case feed. I load bulk .223, 40 SW, 45 ACP, and 9MM on a Dillon 65 but almost everything else goes through a Hornady LNL AP.

They LNL is far more flexible and IMHO the better value for the recreational shooter.

Hope this helps.
Scott
 
So I'm looking at the Dillon 550B and the Lee. The reason I've ruled out the Hornaday is because of using their own dies where as the Dillon or Lee I can use my existing dies.

I haven't found anybody that carries the Lee presses but alot of people carry Dillon, because on a purchase like this I like to be hands on and try it before I buy. The best deal I found is a 550B new for $350 with no dies (which is fine because I have all of my own carbide RCBS dies already) and then I need a shellplate for $42, so I would have a brand new Dillon for $392.

Am I missing anything? The 550B seems like a good deal for the price, what I don't like about the 550 is I have to turn the shellholder (I wish it was auto indexing like the 650 but can't afford the 650).

What to do?
 
I've have a Lee Pro 1000 and a Dillon 650.....the Lee was adequate and served a need, but it lacked many features I felt would improve reloading and quality of ammo. The 650 is somewhat modular in that you can start basic and load it up with accessories as the funds come in.

I'd suggest re-thinking the 650 and get the basic model, sure it's a little more....but once the price is forgotten the quality will always be there. Add features and options later. Also doing 40, 9mm, and .223.

When a decision comes down to money or quality.....I always error on the side of quality. Never regretted it later. This is by far the best loader I've ever had....

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The 550 will be a massive step up from what you currently have and think it's a wise choice when you have a baby coming/greater priorities.

If I was looking for maximum value I'd look for a 2nd hand Dillon 550 and with anything that needs replacing give Dillon a call.

I believe the 550 priming system is a safer design than the 650.

The calibre changes (real cash cow) for the 650 cost more.

I think you're making a good choice.
 
When I bought my progressive 15 months ago, it came down to only two: Dillon 550B and the Hornady LnL AP.

If it *must* auto-index, then the 550B is out. But a lot of people do very well w/ it.
 
If you have a really tight budget, the Lee's will work. They will get the job done, but WILL require occassional (or more than just occassional) tinkering to keep them working right. I really don't think that I know of anyone that regretted upgrading from a Lee to a Hornady or Dillon and I don't think that I know of anyone that went from a Hornady or Dillon to a Lee because they thought the Lee was a better machine. Those that have never loaded on anything other than a Lee, just don't know how much better it can be.

Good post Tony. While it's rare I actually know a couple of people that went from a Dillon 550 to a Lee classic turret. Not because the quality was better but because the 550 was a lot more than they needed. That is the same boat I am in. I started with a classic turret because of my budget. I load four calibers and shoot competition so I load quite a bit. At 200 rounds per hour the classic turret meats my needs fine. I cant justify spending $600 or more for a 550 just to load a little faster. I have loaded on a friends 550 so I do know the difference. I don't think the classic turret is in the same class as the P1000 and loadmaster. I have been loading on the CT four years and thousands of rounds and am still on the original plastic ratchet. The safety prime works near flawless. I can change calibers in under one minute. It has been a very reliable and sturdy press for me. If I ever do need to upgrade to a progressive it will more than likely be a Dillon.
 
All I have experience with (except the Lee "whack a mole" sets) is a Dillon 550b, so I can't say it's better or worse than some other press.

What I can contribute is an opinion that it is possible to pull the handle twice without indexing, but you'd have to be nearly unconscious to do something like that.

The "work flow" with a 550b is to index, grab a case with your right hand and insert it at station 1, grab a bullet with your L hand and place it on top of the charged case at station 3, then pull the handle.

I follow someone's advice and never walk away from the press with the handle up, if interrupted. Leave it down, so you know you're mid-stroke.

I just can't see how you could mess this up, if you're watching the process and not doing something like trying to watch TV and reload at the same time.

I mean, if you grab the case and try to insert it without indexing, there's that nice resized case staring at you at station 1...

Besides, I use also it to reload rifle cartridges and I really like the lack of auto indexing for that. :)
 
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