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Here's a link to an ADL in .30-06 ( good choice, too ) with excellent views of the gun:
http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=25270919
http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=25270919
Which rifle woyld you buy? Rem 7600 vs. 30-30 vs. SKS
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If you want a quick firing .308, maybe a 99 Savage?
Lever action with a rotary magazine.
Holds six rounds total and is plenty fast.
Plus they eject to the side (sort of an angle) and have a solid top if you want to mount a scope.
The 99 Savage really was way ahead of its time.
I would gladly take one over a Remington any day of the week.
Also, if you are willing to go with a military bolt action, you can have your pick of a Mauser, Enfield, or Mosin Nagant for pretty cheap.
The Enfield is undoubtedly the fastest but ammo is generally more expensive and harder to find unless you get an Ishapore in 7.62x51 (I have one on hold at a local shop right now).
My absolute favorite rifle ever is my Finn M-39. That thing is extremely well made, powerful, reliable, and very accurate. I am looking to get another after I sell my FAL.
If my bullet riddled body is ever found on a roof top surrounded by empty casings, that Finn is the rifle they will be pulling out of my hands.
Lever action with a rotary magazine.
Holds six rounds total and is plenty fast.
Plus they eject to the side (sort of an angle) and have a solid top if you want to mount a scope.
The 99 Savage really was way ahead of its time.
I would gladly take one over a Remington any day of the week.
Also, if you are willing to go with a military bolt action, you can have your pick of a Mauser, Enfield, or Mosin Nagant for pretty cheap.
The Enfield is undoubtedly the fastest but ammo is generally more expensive and harder to find unless you get an Ishapore in 7.62x51 (I have one on hold at a local shop right now
).My absolute favorite rifle ever is my Finn M-39. That thing is extremely well made, powerful, reliable, and very accurate. I am looking to get another after I sell my FAL.
If my bullet riddled body is ever found on a roof top surrounded by empty casings, that Finn is the rifle they will be pulling out of my hands.
Thanks for all of the thoughtful replies!
I've narrowed it down to:
1. Marlin lever 30-30 w/ scope (200 yard gun?)
2. Savage bolt .308 (400 yard gun?)
3. Surplus bolt (Mosin, Swiss K-31, Enfield, etc)...If cheap enough, I will also pick up an SKS.
Question: If going for a scoped set up, which of the old surplus rifles will allow you to use a scope in the standard rear position (not forward, therefore needing a pistol scope)?
Are surplus rifles accurate as compared to a modern bolt?
Is 200 yds pretty much the limit for a 30-30?
The Rubin K-31 sounds like a good gun, but I hear the recoil is punishing.
The Mosin I hefted at the gun shop was cool, but I could barely operate the safety and the bolt was quite sticky.
Thanks!
TCW
I've narrowed it down to:
1. Marlin lever 30-30 w/ scope (200 yard gun?)
2. Savage bolt .308 (400 yard gun?)
3. Surplus bolt (Mosin, Swiss K-31, Enfield, etc)...If cheap enough, I will also pick up an SKS.
Question: If going for a scoped set up, which of the old surplus rifles will allow you to use a scope in the standard rear position (not forward, therefore needing a pistol scope)?
Are surplus rifles accurate as compared to a modern bolt?
Is 200 yds pretty much the limit for a 30-30?
The Rubin K-31 sounds like a good gun, but I hear the recoil is punishing.
The Mosin I hefted at the gun shop was cool, but I could barely operate the safety and the bolt was quite sticky.
Thanks!
TCW
A scoped 30-30 will do 200 yards.
A scope 308 Savage bolt action will do 400 (my open sighted FAL will do 400 and both Savage bolt actions I had did much better than my FAL has ever thought about being.)
A model 99 Savage lever action .308 will give you the speed of a lever action and the range of a bolt action.
For scoped use, an Enfield isn't too hard to get scoped but it does require drilling and tapping with all the mounts I have ever seen. Same with Mausers. But I have seen it done. I hate to see a good old military gun permanently altered like that, but realistically there are enough around that one less isn't going to make a huge difference.
Scoping a Mosin Nagant is slightly more challenging but I really havent looked into scoping mine. I might build a replica 91/30 sniper some day though.
Hopefully someone will chime in with some more knowledge on scoping though.
As far as accuracy, all of the military surplus rifles I have shot were as accurate or more accurate than new sporting arms I have owned.
My Finnish M-39 is the finest shooting rifle I have ever owned and you couldn't pay me enough to trade it for a Remchester. If you buy excellent condition with a good tight bore it should shoot very well.
The K-31 is known to be very accurate and may even edge the M-39 (although I doubt it), but ammo for them is expensive and hard to come by.
On my Mosin Nagant I don't really use the safety. I only load four unless I am shooting it at the range, in which case I load five and immediately shoot them. The safety is troublesome on them. I will give you that much.
To me, a scope isn't that necessary. I wear glasses but my eyesight is pretty decent with them so I just use the open sights. I like the issue sights on these rifles because you can immediately adjust them for different ranges and use the same hold to put your lead on target.
Back when I was shooting more I could routinely (about 8 out of 10 times) hit standard clay pigeons with my M-39 at 200 yards, and that wasn't with the good one. That was with the beat up VKT I used as a shooter. Clay pigeons are tiny at that range but that wasn't of much help to them.
Even the 91/30 that I gave my brother was respectable out to 400 yards, and you can pick them up for $60. An M-39 will run you from about $150 for a good shooter to around $250 for an unissued rifle depending on the maker. They are well worth the money IMO, but the 91/30 is great too.
Having owned and shot both, I can attest to the difference between them though. You can immediately tell that the Russians were conscript soldiers and that the Finns were mush more concerned with the individual soldier than the Russians were.
Despite my love of the M-39, the Mauser might be better in some respects (it has a more useable safety) and is probably a good place to start if you want to try a milsurp.
Being in Kali isn't that big of a deal. Don't get me wrong. The hand that was dealt to you guys isn't good.
Still though, I really would take my Milsurp over anything else I can get my hands on.
I am selling my FAL to buy components and ammo for my M-39.
That should say something about them.
A scope 308 Savage bolt action will do 400 (my open sighted FAL will do 400 and both Savage bolt actions I had did much better than my FAL has ever thought about being.)
A model 99 Savage lever action .308 will give you the speed of a lever action and the range of a bolt action.
For scoped use, an Enfield isn't too hard to get scoped but it does require drilling and tapping with all the mounts I have ever seen. Same with Mausers. But I have seen it done. I hate to see a good old military gun permanently altered like that, but realistically there are enough around that one less isn't going to make a huge difference.
Scoping a Mosin Nagant is slightly more challenging but I really havent looked into scoping mine. I might build a replica 91/30 sniper some day though.
Hopefully someone will chime in with some more knowledge on scoping though.
As far as accuracy, all of the military surplus rifles I have shot were as accurate or more accurate than new sporting arms I have owned.
My Finnish M-39 is the finest shooting rifle I have ever owned and you couldn't pay me enough to trade it for a Remchester. If you buy excellent condition with a good tight bore it should shoot very well.
The K-31 is known to be very accurate and may even edge the M-39 (although I doubt it), but ammo for them is expensive and hard to come by.
On my Mosin Nagant I don't really use the safety. I only load four unless I am shooting it at the range, in which case I load five and immediately shoot them. The safety is troublesome on them. I will give you that much.
To me, a scope isn't that necessary. I wear glasses but my eyesight is pretty decent with them so I just use the open sights. I like the issue sights on these rifles because you can immediately adjust them for different ranges and use the same hold to put your lead on target.
Back when I was shooting more I could routinely (about 8 out of 10 times) hit standard clay pigeons with my M-39 at 200 yards, and that wasn't with the good one. That was with the beat up VKT I used as a shooter. Clay pigeons are tiny at that range but that wasn't of much help to them.
Even the 91/30 that I gave my brother was respectable out to 400 yards, and you can pick them up for $60. An M-39 will run you from about $150 for a good shooter to around $250 for an unissued rifle depending on the maker. They are well worth the money IMO, but the 91/30 is great too.
Having owned and shot both, I can attest to the difference between them though. You can immediately tell that the Russians were conscript soldiers and that the Finns were mush more concerned with the individual soldier than the Russians were.
Despite my love of the M-39, the Mauser might be better in some respects (it has a more useable safety) and is probably a good place to start if you want to try a milsurp.
Being in Kali isn't that big of a deal. Don't get me wrong. The hand that was dealt to you guys isn't good.
Still though, I really would take my Milsurp over anything else I can get my hands on.
I am selling my FAL to buy components and ammo for my M-39.
That should say something about them.
Don't forget the Winchester 88: lever action .308 with a superior lock-up (like the Savage 99), but has the advantages of a detachable magazine (extras are available) and a one-piece stock. And, since the trigger swings down with the lever, you can't mash your fingers.
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