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Which states are the most pro-guns? or, which ones are the most anti-guns?

Discussion in 'Legal' started by ShootAndHunt, Aug 11, 2004.

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  1. ShootAndHunt

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    I begin to consider my future job locations. There are many factors, but one important one is whether the state is gun-owner friendly? Current I live in connecticut, a state neither very friendly nor hostile to gun owners. I want to move to a free state where I could really enjoy my hobbies.:D, and definitely want to avoid the states where gun-owners are treated almost as potential criminals.:cuss:

    Please give me some recommendations, thanks a lot! :)

    By the way, when I move to another state, what do I need to do to leagally own the firearms I already have in my former state?
     
  2. Old Partner

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    I would imagine that Arizona and Virginia should appear high on your list to go to and California, New Jersey, New York and Maryland should be avoided.
     
  3. 2nd Amendment

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    Indiana a big YES and Illinois a great big fat screeching NOOOO!
     
  4. Highpower1

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    GA is fairly pro-gun. I've had no problems. Easy to get classIII transfer's here as well. Simply go to the GBI (Georgia Bureau of Investigations) and have their firearms rep sign for you. No worries bout local LEO chiefs messing with you and asking you silly questions as why you want to own that (non of his business).
     
  5. Beren

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    Pennsylvania, so long as you don't live in Philly or Pittsburgh. There's lots of great land inbetween.
     
  6. AZgunstudent

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    I moved to Arizona from Connecticut last year. It was like leaving an Iron Curtain nation and moving to the real America! A few comparisons:

    CCW – CT is discretionary issue, with many hoops to jump. Took me 12 weeks to get my permit there. No open carry there, and you can’t even take your pistol to range without a carry permit. In AZ, you can open carry without a permit, take your gun to the range, etc. Concealed carry permits are shall issue. Mine took all of two weeks to get, and it was over a holiday weekend, no less. Only problem with AZ CCW is that you can’t carry in restaurants that serve alcohol, even if you aren’t drinking. We’re working on that, though.

    Range access – There are ranges everywhere in AZ, plus lots of open desert. The Ben Avery shooting complex on the north side of Phoenix is amazing, and publicly maintained. Arizonans are actually proud of it! I shoot at Rio Salado in Mesa, which is a good facility, as well. Ranges in CT are, by comparison, weak sisters. There are matches of every variety out here, too: with IPSC, IDPA, High Power, Garand, conventional bullseye, etc. You can shoot a match every week if you want, and you’ll sometimes see the big guys out there (like Rob Leatham).

    Gun shows – There are several BIG gun shows in Phoenix every year. You can get good deals on ammo and sometimes guns, and the selection is nothing short of amazing. The few gun shows I attended in CT pale in comparison. The better gun shows here are larger than the exhibit floors of the NRA conventions I’ve attended.

    Gun culture – Gun folks are everywhere in AZ, as are gun shops. No one looks at you suspiciously as you load your rifles into your trunk. People aren’t horrorstruck if you mention that you like shooting or hunting, unless they are recent immigrants from ********** or residents of liberal Tempe. It’s just part of life here for most people, and no big deal. When we lived in CT, the wife and I were very circumspect about revealing we were gun owners. AZ is a breath of fresh air by comparison.

    Hunting – AZ has deer, pronghorn, elk, turkey, javelina, lots of birds, and probably some others. There are lotteries for some species, however. I didn’t hunt much beyond pheasants and squirrels in CT, though, so I can’t offer much of a comparison here (I hunted deer in Vermont).

    Class III – Lots of people with buzzguns and such here in AZ, if that floats your boat. I only knew a couple of people with Class III back in CT.

    Training opportunities – AZ has the granddaddy of all the shooting academies, Gunsite. There are quite a few smaller operations like Suarez International, and also some excellent training available on the local level. CT only has Defense Associates (which I recommend) and Brian Williams, as far as I know.

    To legally “transfer†your firearms into Arizona, do the following:

    1. Stop moving van.
    2. Carry guns into house and place in gun safe.
    3. Open a beer to celebrate your new life in a free state.

    Feel free to PM me if you can stand more Arizona partisanship.
     
  7. nhhillbilly

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    NH Freedom

    NH is a great state. Class Three allowed. Shall Issue Concealed carry with no restrictions except you can not go into court house and Federal buildings.

    Suggestion that you go to www.packing.org and check out the laws of each state.
     
  8. Swamprabbit

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    Since I live in KY, I can tell you that KY, IN and TN are great for gun owners. I can also confirm that IL is one of the worst.
     
  9. DigitalWarrior

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    NH, I second that!

    NH is a fantastic state, and going to be getting better shortly! I hope that we are going to be the third state to not require a permit to excersize your right to CCW.
     
  10. Jim March

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    I think the four worst for STATE laws are New Jersey, Hawaii, Illinois and California.

    If you factor in how big a percentage of NY state the city is, it ranks right up there too. And you can make a good case for Maryland being hosed.

    Mass is actually a step BELOW some of those.

    Best:

    Well Alaska and Vermont tie for top, of course.

    Right below that: Arizona, Utah, Idaho, South Dakota and the like. AZ actually ranks "better than it should" because the *culture* rocks - but the CCW standards are actually tighter than any other at that level. (Then again, open carry practices and rules are killer in AZ.) There's probably more states here I'm not remembering...WA State is borderline.

    Then I'd lump all the rest of the shall-issue CCW states below those.
     
  11. whm1974

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    IL isn't really that bad, it's Chicgo and cook county that gives IL a bad name... And the few towns here and there that ban guns as well. The rest of the state is fine. I agree it could be better and I'm thinking of moving to another state.

    Just keep in mind just because a state itself is a great place to own guns doesn't mean that the city or county you move to isn't as bad or worse then what you came from. Denver CO is an example of this.

    -Bill
     
  12. Hawk

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    Speaking only of those I've actually lived in:
    Texas and Florida - Yes.
    Maryland - Abominable.
    New York - Bad.

    Texas, at least this part of it, is tops. Besides, there's the Shiner issue.
     
  13. boofus

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    I like Texas. Shall issue CHL, you can smoke burglars if they try to escape with your property, all NFA goodies ok, no silly state AWB nonsense, and all the tex-mex and real Mexican food you can eat. :D

    Alot of good cajun food too and you can always head next door to Louisiana if you want the real stuff.
     
  14. Thumper

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    Jim, you rank Texas below WA state?
     
  15. Jim March

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    Based on difficulty scoring CCW, sure do.

    Texas disqualifies for MANY more things: tax issues, etc. And there's training required in TX, not in WA.

    Texas has better knife laws though.

    MAJOR POINT: I'm not tracking Class3/NFA stuff here, because I'm personally not into that and I don't pay enough attention to those laws. WA is very restrictive on that stuff, so that may make a big difference come to think. That's a personal bias on my part (not "against" those guns, just that I pay more attention to CCW than NFA).
     
  16. Thumper

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    What do you think of these parameters, Jim?

    Use of force laws.
    General acceptance of guns and gunnies.
    Gunshops and Ranges.
     
  17. K-Romulus

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    lot of Maryland bashing here

    While no means a Virginia, MD isn't as bad as some may say.

    While there is no fair-issue CCW here (yet), the rest of the state's firearms laws aren't as bad as other states.

    There is the recording of handgun and "regulated firearm" sales & transfers, but there is no problem with selling/buying the other 80% of firearms that are not on those "lists."

    So-called "assault pistols" are banned, but the list is short enough to be non-problematic (well, unless you're an Olympic-class target shooter).

    The retail magazine capacity limit is 20 rounds, so the normal-cap handgun mags for sale on Sept. 15 will be good to go. Plus, you could buy whatever mags you want out of state, anyway, and still be legal.

    Moving from out of state does not mean that your firearms need to be registered (except Class III), or "recorded," unless you sell them. Class III is handled at the state level, so it's shall-sign.

    There is no FOID system.

    Business owners are allowed to CCW on their business premises, same with home and land owners.

    No official law on ammo sale registration, etc., despite what you may be told at SOME gun shops around Monkey County.

    MD firearms owners fought the MD-AWB this year in Annapolis and won. Things here have turned the corner, and hopefully will continue in the same direction.

    edited to add:
    Use of force laws.
    - MD is a duty-to-retreat-unless-no-opportunity state, and still has a castle doctrine.

    General acceptance of guns and gunnies.
    - depends where you go. The MSP staff didn't care that I was getting my FP's for the VA non-res CCW. I hear plenty of third-hand horror stories ("loaded magazines = jail"), but no proof. Lots of people here are closeted firearms owners.

    Gunshops and Ranges.
    - at least three shops in Monkey County alone, and two public ranges, two private ranges. Way more around the state. Ex.: One county-owned 200m range located 45 min away. Another 600m range 35 min away on a .gov installation, open to club members (easy to join).
     
  18. AZLibertarian

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    The only thing I'd add is that Arizona has a larger variety of big game than any other state. In addition to your list, we have buffalo, bighorn sheep, mountain lion, bear. I'm not much of a hunter, but I do remember these from the Hunter Safety Course I took a couple of years ago. Of course, this variety is due to the variety in habitat we have here. About the only thing we don't have is an ocean. Lots of beach though. :neener:

    I know what you mean, but man, I wish you'd re-phrase that.
     
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    I vever thought about looking at the Brady Campaign....

    -Bill
     
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    Exactly. We're trying to loosen the carry standards, though. I'd highly recommend that you folks come live with us in AZ.

    I'm kind of surprised that I haven't seen much Texas cheerleading. Texas isn't bad, but there are a number of things that strongly turn me off:

    1.) no open carry, which means that you have to cough up cash and have yourself put in a database if you want to carry in any way whatsoever. This also strips 18, 19, and 20-year olds of their right of effective self-defense, which is also further diminished by point 2.

    2.) Really stupid non-firearm weapon laws. You guys know what I'm talking about--Bowie knives, etc., and other stuff is illegal. If you can't carry a gun because you're a younger adult, your options get limited.

    3.) "NO GUNS ALLOWED" 30.06 signs EVERYWHERE. Of course, this varies from place to place, but on my last visit to San Antonio, for example, you couldn't enter damned near everywhere if you were packing. Sure, you can "not see" the signs, but I'd prefer to respect property rights whenever I can.
     
  22. El Tejon

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    Trey, true, but things in Tejas are improving than when I first started going down there right after Bush signed their CCW reform.:cool:

    Lot fewer .30-'06 signs than there used to be and reciprocity is slowly getting better. Lots of work to be done, but good to be winning.
     
  23. Gray Peterson

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    Using K-Romulus' template, some facts on Washington:

    Washington State was the first state to be shall-issue specific to statute. 30 years ago, some of the city authorities used to resist their lawful duties tooth and nail, but thanks to the state law, you can always go to the Sheriffs Office. Resident and Non-resident permits given out on a shall-issue basis.

    Washington State does have a handgun database registration system, but only for firearms that are sold at gun stores and FFL's. Afterwards, it's optional to register your firearm.

    No AWB.

    5 day waiting period on handgun purchases, but this is waived with your CPL.

    No High Capacity Magazine Restrictions.

    We allow suppressors, but not SBS, SBR, or Select Fire Weapons unless you possessed it before a certain date in 1994.

    We have no license to own or possess, only to conceal.

    Business owners are allowed to CCW on their business premises, same with home and land owners w/o a CPL.

    No ammo registration.

    Foreward progress on passing more pro-gun laws is stymied due to a divided party legislature and a democratic governor. The upcoming election is indicating that the next governor will be a democrat as well, crossing fingers on Dino Rossi, though.

    Use of Force law:

    Washington is not a duty to retreat state. Attempts by prosecutors in the past to "end run it", but the Washington State Supreme Court on a repeated basis that there's no provision in the statute to charge people with homicide or other crimes for "refusing to retreat" from where they have a legal right to be.

    Here's the law on justifiable self defense homicide.

    RCW 9A.16.050
    Homicide -- By other person -- When justifiable.

    Homicide is also justifiable when committed either:

    (1) In the lawful defense of the slayer, or his or her husband, wife, parent, child, brother, or sister, or of any other person in his presence or company, when there is reasonable ground to apprehend a design on the part of the person slain to commit a felony or to do some great personal injury to the slayer or to any such person, and there is imminent danger of such design being accomplished; or

    (2) In the actual resistance of an attempt to commit a felony upon the slayer, in his presence, or upon or in a dwelling, or other place of abode, in which he is.,

    Figure that this is the highest standard for using self defense in this state, ie it doesn't take much. Merely assaulting a bus driver in the performance of his duties in your presence is enough to have this statute protect you. Considering what happened 6 years ago to a Metro Bus (Metro being King County Public Transit System) falling over a bridge.

    Here's another statute that must be followed too, but I'm not 100 percent sure if both this and the above statute need to be followed in concert, or if "Use of Force" is just non-deadly force:

    http://www.leg.wa.gov/RCW/index.cfm?section=9A.16.020&fuseaction=section

    General acceptance of guns and gunnies.
    - Depends. Within Seattle city itself, it's pretty well not acceptable among the elite. Hell, I'm having to fight with the City Library system to follow the preemption law. I'm sure that Bellevue and Redmond and the eastside urban areas will have the same problem. But South King and the rest of the area seems ok with guns.

    Gunshops and Ranges.
    - Firearms Academy in Chehalis, Bullseye Shooting Range in Tacoma. Can anyone else chime in on other ranges in King or Snohomish County?
     
  24. twoblink

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    Jim, I'm almost positive some NY'er is upset as the lack of mention..

    DC might win the contest overall for nastiest, good thing it's not a state...
     
  25. USMC_2674

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    Utah is good to go

    Utah is a good place to be fire firearms.

    CCW is great and easy.

    Use of Force laws are good to go.

    Class III is easy to get signoffs.

    Lots of shooting areas..

    What could be better? :)
     
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