Which to use?

Which Caliber for Elk?

  • 338-06

    Votes: 6 37.5%
  • 35 Whelen

    Votes: 10 62.5%

  • Total voters
    16
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I friend wants to buy a new rifle for Elk hunting and has narrowed it down to two, either a .338-06 or a .35 Whelen. I don't own either and can't see enough difference between the two to make a recommendation. Anyone here ever used either of both and can make a recommendation I can bring to him? Which would you buy and why?

I told him I think his 30-06 is just fine but he wants a bigger caliber.

EDIT: Factory ammo prices will not be a factor, he loads his own ammo.
 
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I friend wants to buy a new rifle for Elk hunting and has narrowed it down to two, either a .338-06 or a .35 Whelen. I don't own either and can't see enough difference between the two to make a recommendation. Anyone here ever used either of both and can make a recommendation I can bring to him? Which would you buy and why?

I told him I think his 30-06 is just fine but he wants a bigger caliber.
check this out it appears the 338-06 travels better in the heavy typ bullet
https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/338-06-vs-35-whelen.13634/
Quite frankly, for the .35, that's 50-75 grains too light on the top end.

Hornady's soft point .338 in 250-grs. has an extremely impressive ballistic coefficient of .431, with a sectional density of .313. Much better than anything in .35 caliber.

Given the choice of the two, I'd be inclined to go with the .338-06.
now off another forum stats
250gr SP 51.0 gr Reloader 15 2,390 fps 3.400"
LR guest Speer Spire Point Boat Tail Game King bullets, Remington 9 1/2 primers. Extremely accurate - .462in five shot groups at 100 yds in custom Mauser with 21" barrel.
more on the bullets
'http://www.handloads.com/loaddata/default.asp?Caliber=338-06&Weight=All&type=Rifle&Source=
 
I only have experience with the 35 Whelen. Hard hitting, flat shooting, great bullet selection.
 
225/250 grain is the only way to go you see
https://www.ballisticstudies.com/Knowledgebase/.338-06+A-Square.html
The .338-06 is best served with tipped bullets due to the slightly wider frontal area hidden behind the tip. Bullet weights are best kept to a minimum, the 225 and 250 grain bullets being reserved for the heaviest of game with ranges kept short to maximize trauma.

A final word must go to Woodleigh who produce a range of .338 bullets. In the .338-06, the two Woodleigh bullets which stand out include the 225 grain protected point bullet design and the 250 grain round nose. Both are reliable on large, densely muscled game, the 250 grain bullet displaying good performance on heavy game, although killing can be quite delayed due to the limitations of this bore diameter. Woodleigh also produce a 300 grain bullet which is capable of producing outstanding penetration. Nevertheless, when used in the .338-06, the hunter must weigh up various factors. The lighter 250 grain bullet can be driven fast for wider wounding and in the .338-06, velocity is never so high as to cause a great deal of over expansion and shallow penetration on Bovine sized game. In contrast to this, the 300 grain Woodleigh bullet can produce outstanding penetration which can be useful on the heaviest of game- but with a sacrifice in trauma at low impact velocities. Hunters are therefore cautioned as to the limitations of each bullet design and the .338-06 in general.
 
I'd like to weigh in, but my answer is basically, "yes."
I have a soft spot for the oft-underappreciated .35's.
However, i also looked into the .338-06 a while back when i was considering building a custom bolt gun, as a way to take advantage of the recent batch of nice .338 bullets, and get a little more poke than the .338 Federal without getting into the belted magnum territory.
 
If you are going to shoot past 250 yards, why are you considering a caliber based on 30-06 case at all?
This isn't going to be my rifle like I said in my OP. What's wrong with a cartridge based on a 30-06 case? Both will outperform the parent with only necking up. It's not my choice, it's his. I already have my opinion, stick with the 30-06.
 
It looks like others agree there isn't much of a difference between the two like I thought. He will have to choose although it I were picking right now it would be the 338-06 built on one of the Springfield 1903 rifles I already have. That is if I decided the 30-06 wasn't up to the job which it is

Thank you everyone..
 
This isn't going to be my rifle like I said in my OP. What's wrong with a cartridge based on a 30-06 case? Both will outperform the parent with only necking up. It's not my choice, it's his. I already have my opinion, stick with the 30-06.

Nothing, both are great cartridges. The graphs and charts were presented to show trajectory to 500 yards, I wondered what it was trying to show... and you are on good ground sticking with the 30-06.
 
For the record, my elk rifle is a custom '03 Springfield in .35 Brown-Whelen, the most radical form of the Whelen. I'm driving a 225 grain Nosler Partition Jacket 2,800 fps.
 
If he really wants to step up above 30-06 he should get a 375H&H. It far out performs the other two and recoil is not excessive at all.

But of those two I'd get the Whelen, because I've always wanted an Model 70 in 35 Whelen.

That says it for me...
 
I'd say 35 whelen. Not that I don't like both, unfortunately I haven't owned either,....yet. Im about to build a whelen. But my reason for picking 35 cal is the sheer bullet selection that are usable at whelen velocities. The 338 has lots of bullet options, but because of how "tough" they are, they have limited use in the 338-06. Either cartridge is awesome, but I believe the whelen is more versatile.
 
I'd say 35 whelen. Not that I don't like both, unfortunately I haven't owned either,....yet. Im about to build a whelen. But my reason for picking 35 cal is the sheer bullet selection that are usable at whelen velocities. The 338 has lots of bullet options, but because of how "tough" they are, they have limited use in the 338-06. Either cartridge is awesome, but I believe the whelen is more versatile.
If you're building a Whelen, I recommend a tight twist -- say 1 in 10. The original Whelen has a much looser twist so it can shoot cast .357 bullets, and as a result anything above 225 grains may not shoot well.
 
I'd go with the Whelen. To me, the .35 Whelen is just "classier" than the .338-06, and I doubt there's a nickel's worth of difference in elk hunting performance between the two.:)
 
If you're building a Whelen, I recommend a tight twist -- say 1 in 10. The original Whelen has a much looser twist so it can shoot cast .357 bullets, and as a result anything above 225 grains may not shoot well.
Thanks for the advice! I am staying away from the 1 in 16" twist barrels, but a 1 in 12" should work fine if the speed stays up there.

This was the reason I'm not going 338-06, most 338 bullets need at least 1800-2000 fps, and that shortens your range a lot. You can get 35 cal bullets that are designed for the 35 rem, or even pistol bullets, and load down for deer or hogs or whatever. Unless you cast bullets, you're not gonna find 338s that can do that.
 
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