Grizzly Adams
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If he was in his store I don't believe that is considered public, it's private property. Also, I'm a firm believer in the "tap" method of shooting. So in my opinion he was just "tap swinging."
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the bodega owner won't be charged:
Store owner who fought off robber with machete speaks outIt happened in the Woodhaven section of Queens
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(New York - WABC, November 8, 2007) - A would-be robber remains hospitalized after a bodega owner fought him off with a machete in Woodhaven, Queens, Wednesday night.
Eyewitness News reporter Nina Pineda has his story.
It was hand-to-hand combat in an all-out, bloody brawl. We asked the store owner if he'd do anything differently. He said next time, he'd have two machetes.
"Whether it was to rob or to kill him, but then after he hit him with the machete, the robber said, 'Just call the cops, please just call the cops,'" Johann Marte said through his translator, Queens Assemblyman Jose Peralta.
Hiding his face for now, in case someone seeks revenge, the bodega owner justified reducing the robber to a bloody mess last night.
"He pulled his gun, I pulled my machete and we went to war," Marte said.
Marte, a father of four, said the alleged criminal walked in his Woodhaven corner store with guns blazing, then wound up begging him to call the police.
"He was aiming for the gun," Peralta said. "As soon as he saw the gun, he was aiming for the gun, and that's all he was aiming for. He started swinging away at the gun, and it was lucky for him he ended up hitting the hand."
Marte's machete slashed the gun-toting bandit's trigger finger off, along with part of his ear, in a battle witnesses believe the suspect deserved.
"He had to protect himself," one said. "You do what you can."
Local legislators warn store owners not to fight violence with violence. They're pushing for bodega safety measures, like panic buttons, connected to local precincts.
"He was very lucky to endure what he did, but we want to teach bodega owners not to do what he did," Peralta said. "Because unfortunately, nine times out of 10, they will end up dead."
Still, an eye-for-an-eye, says Marte, who was fired at four times before his machete beat the bullets.
"I came here to work, to work hard, and I work hard everyday," Marte said through Peralta. "And I had to defend myself, and that's what I did."
The store has been robbed three times in the past, and it seems the Queens district attorney will treat this as self-defense and not charge Marte with anything. The robber-turned-victim is still recovering. He faces a number of charges.
Store owner who fought off robber with machete speaks outIt happened in the Woodhaven section of Queens
Eyewitness News
(New York - WABC, November 8, 2007) - A would-be robber remains hospitalized after a bodega owner fought him off with a machete in Woodhaven, Queens, Wednesday night.
Eyewitness News reporter Nina Pineda has his story.
It was hand-to-hand combat in an all-out, bloody brawl. We asked the store owner if he'd do anything differently. He said next time, he'd have two machetes.
"Whether it was to rob or to kill him, but then after he hit him with the machete, the robber said, 'Just call the cops, please just call the cops,'" Johann Marte said through his translator, Queens Assemblyman Jose Peralta.
Hiding his face for now, in case someone seeks revenge, the bodega owner justified reducing the robber to a bloody mess last night.
"He pulled his gun, I pulled my machete and we went to war," Marte said.
Marte, a father of four, said the alleged criminal walked in his Woodhaven corner store with guns blazing, then wound up begging him to call the police.
"He was aiming for the gun," Peralta said. "As soon as he saw the gun, he was aiming for the gun, and that's all he was aiming for. He started swinging away at the gun, and it was lucky for him he ended up hitting the hand."
Marte's machete slashed the gun-toting bandit's trigger finger off, along with part of his ear, in a battle witnesses believe the suspect deserved.
"He had to protect himself," one said. "You do what you can."
Local legislators warn store owners not to fight violence with violence. They're pushing for bodega safety measures, like panic buttons, connected to local precincts.
"He was very lucky to endure what he did, but we want to teach bodega owners not to do what he did," Peralta said. "Because unfortunately, nine times out of 10, they will end up dead."
Still, an eye-for-an-eye, says Marte, who was fired at four times before his machete beat the bullets.
"I came here to work, to work hard, and I work hard everyday," Marte said through Peralta. "And I had to defend myself, and that's what I did."
The store has been robbed three times in the past, and it seems the Queens district attorney will treat this as self-defense and not charge Marte with anything. The robber-turned-victim is still recovering. He faces a number of charges.
bluestarlizzard
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"'He was very lucky to endure what he did, but we want to teach bodega owners not to do what he did," Peralta said. "Because unfortunately, nine times out of 10, they will end up dead.'"
but of course, if we let them have guns, range time and training they would be able to fight back and would not die.
but who needs a gun when you have a panic button? *rolling eyes*
i'm glad the guy isn't being charged but the offical responce is lacking.
but of course, if we let them have guns, range time and training they would be able to fight back and would not die.
but who needs a gun when you have a panic button? *rolling eyes*
i'm glad the guy isn't being charged but the offical responce is lacking.
Grizzly Adams
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Panic button my a$$! All a panic button will do is ensure that a meat wagon will be there to pick up the store owner's body!
BitterBeerFace
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Uh, yeah, it's not like the robber didn't start with violence. Good on the storekeeper for fighting him off.
Panic buttons might help, but a far more effective method would be... oh, I dunno, how about a cop (Constable On Patrol) actually patrolling the street? That would be a pretty good deterrant, and heck, maybe provide some actual human intelligence about any sort of gang activity, etc.
I'm glad the guy came out ok (both with the BG and the law). I remember back in Albuquerque (mid 90's) a guy was mugged and afterwards (I don't know how much later) saw the guy and went running down the street with a machete chasing the BG. An APD officer happened on the scene and ordered the good guy to drop the machete. Either he didn't hear, didn't understand, or continued to strike at the BG, in any event the officer shot and killed him and then later found that he was the 1st victim. Sometimes you just can't get a break.
were can we get more men like him? I love this guy!
I'd personally like to buy this man a 12 gauge Remmy 870 and a box of #6 bird shot. I'd lean twords a hatchet before a machete though.
In this case the 1st victim was not in harm when he confronted his attacker, which made him the Perp, and WRONG. You have the right to defend you self at the time of attack, but you can't case people down in the streets and attack them, even if they attacked you at a time prior. You can't start a fight and then claim self defense when you took the first swing. You can't kill a murderer on the court house steps, after the case was dropped due to a technicality.
Remember this is America, and we'd rather set 9 bad guys free than imprison one innocent man.
WeedWhacker
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The only major flaw with a machete is that it puts the wielder dangerously close to being within the snack radius.
Bazooka Joe71
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You, are free to leave...But leave the finger, it belongs to me now.
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I'll let you do the charging. LOL
Officers'Wife
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Hi Kd7,
Exactly, they will know that the poor guy will be paying all his money to lawyers and won't have any left to run his store.
Selena
Exactly, they will know that the poor guy will be paying all his money to lawyers and won't have any left to run his store.
Selena
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B.U.G
B.U.G = back up gun
I grabbed a gun from a would be robber and left the scene to call the cops.
I sometimes carry two guns, bad guys may also do the same.
B.U.G = back up gun
I grabbed a gun from a would be robber and left the scene to call the cops.
I sometimes carry two guns, bad guys may also do the same.
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Queens Bodega Owner Severs Would-Be Robber's Finger, Ear
November 08, 2007
An attempted robbery turned into a bloody battle between a Queens bodega owner and his alleged attacker Wednesday afternoon in Woodhaven.
According to police, 27-year-old Omar Rodriguez pulled a semi-automatic and demanded money from the owner of the Felix Grocery Store on 77th Street in Woodhaven just before 5 p.m. Wednesday.
"He was telling him, ‘give up the money, give up the money.’ You could see him with his hand just trying to tell him, ‘give up the money,’” said witness Shamir Martinez.
But instead of handing over cash, the store owner – 50-year-old Joanne Martes – pulled out a machete.
Police say he cut Rodriguez's finger off and sliced him on his head and arm. Officers say Rodriguez fired two shots during the struggle but missed. They found a .40 caliber pistol at the scene, along with an ear and a finger.
"I'm not surprised. I’m happy that he defended himself, because right now he could be dead in there,” said neighbor John Pena.
Most people in the neighborhood were stunned to hear about the ferociousness of Martes’s defense. Neighbor say they can't imagine the nice guy who gave credit to adults and candy to kids was capable of that kind of counter attack
“He's so sweet, so nice. He says hi to you every day in the morning,” said neighbor Lynda Valez. “Even if he sees you ten times over, he'll still say hi with a big smile on his face, so I was really surprised."
Rodriguez was taken to Jamaica Hospital. He has been charged with attempted murder, robbery and criminal possession of a weapon.
Police say Martes won't face any charges because he was acting in self-defense.
http://www.ny1.com/ny1/content/index.jsp?stid=10&aid=75405
***I guess that I should add a machete to my armory***
Queens Bodega Owner Severs Would-Be Robber's Finger, Ear
November 08, 2007
An attempted robbery turned into a bloody battle between a Queens bodega owner and his alleged attacker Wednesday afternoon in Woodhaven.
According to police, 27-year-old Omar Rodriguez pulled a semi-automatic and demanded money from the owner of the Felix Grocery Store on 77th Street in Woodhaven just before 5 p.m. Wednesday.
"He was telling him, ‘give up the money, give up the money.’ You could see him with his hand just trying to tell him, ‘give up the money,’” said witness Shamir Martinez.
But instead of handing over cash, the store owner – 50-year-old Joanne Martes – pulled out a machete.
Police say he cut Rodriguez's finger off and sliced him on his head and arm. Officers say Rodriguez fired two shots during the struggle but missed. They found a .40 caliber pistol at the scene, along with an ear and a finger.
"I'm not surprised. I’m happy that he defended himself, because right now he could be dead in there,” said neighbor John Pena.
Most people in the neighborhood were stunned to hear about the ferociousness of Martes’s defense. Neighbor say they can't imagine the nice guy who gave credit to adults and candy to kids was capable of that kind of counter attack
“He's so sweet, so nice. He says hi to you every day in the morning,” said neighbor Lynda Valez. “Even if he sees you ten times over, he'll still say hi with a big smile on his face, so I was really surprised."
Rodriguez was taken to Jamaica Hospital. He has been charged with attempted murder, robbery and criminal possession of a weapon.
Police say Martes won't face any charges because he was acting in self-defense.
http://www.ny1.com/ny1/content/index.jsp?stid=10&aid=75405
***I guess that I should add a machete to my armory***
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Queens Bodega Owner Dies After Being Shot in Robbery
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By THOMAS J. LUECK and ANN FARMER
Published: June 14, 2007
A Queens bodega owner died yesterday after being shot during a robbery on Monday by three men the police said may have carried out as many as 16 other robberies since March 17.
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Yolanda Ramos, a friend of the Cruz family, at the Queens bodega where Bolivar Cruz, the owner, was shot.
The owner, Bolivar Cruz, a 53-year-old father of eight, was shot in the face by one of three masked men about 9:30 p.m. at his store in South Ozone Park while a daughter, Angelina; a co-worker; and a customer stood witness.
The store, Kennedy Mini Market at 133-45 131st Street, has been a fixture in the neighborhood north of Kennedy International Airport for more than 15 years.
Two of the men were armed when they entered the bodega, his daughter said yesterday, and when Mr. Cruz reached for a pistol he was carrying in his pocket, he was shot in the face before he was able to discharge his weapon.
“I am very traumatized,” said Angelina Cruz, 24, who was joined by four of her sisters, speaking to reporters yesterday outside Jamaica Hospital Medical Center, where a hospital spokesman said Mr. Cruz died at 9:50 a.m. yesterday.
“I saw my father on the floor bleeding to death,” she said.
At a news conference on Tuesday, Police Commissioner Raymond W. Kelly said, “We think there are other robberies associated with these three individuals.” Investigators laid out an extensive pattern of robberies in the neighborhoods of western Queens near the border of Nassau County and north of the airport.
In each case, bodegas or small food stores were robbed, the police said, and the robberies were carried out by one to three armed men.
Although no one was killed in the earlier robberies, the police said, some of them turned violent.
On March 26, two robbers entered a store at 143-02 Farmers Boulevard, and one fired a single round, striking a 49-year-old man in the left leg, causing a minor injury.
On May 6, three robbers entered a store at 112-01 Francis Lewis Boulevard, one of them hitting a worker on the back of his head, again causing minor injuries. Cash amounts up to $2,000 were taken in the series of robberies, the police said.
The police often seek to publicize such robbery patterns at an earlier stage in the investigation.
Paul J. Browne, a police spokesman, said yesterday that “when investigators determine that a series of crimes constitutes a pattern, and it is in the best interest of the investigation to make that public, they do so.” He added, “That happened day before yesterday.”
Last night there was another robbery at a bodega, at Linden Boulevard and the Van Wyck Expressway in South Ozone Park. The police said it did not appear to be related, and no injuries were reported.
Mr. Cruz’s daughters told reporters yesterday that the three men had entered the bodega as Angelina, who was working behind the counter, and Mr. Cruz, who was arranging bottles in a refrigerator nearby, were preparing to close for the night.
The daughters said that two of the robbers had used stockings to hide their faces and that the other robber used a bandana.
After the shooting, witnesses told the police, the three men may have fled in a red four-door Lexus with Florida license plates.
“A father’s reaction is to protect his child,” said Yolanda Ramos, a friend of the family who joined a hospital room vigil for Mr. Cruz, who had been on life support.
“He went to protect his daughter, and he ended up getting hurt.”
Other acquaintances described Mr. Cruz, who immigrated from the Dominican Republic in the 1970s, as a dedicated father and hard-working merchant who was widely respected in the neighborhood.
“He is a good man who doesn’t have a dispute with anybody,” said Frantz Lubin, who has lived next to the Kennedy Mini Market for 15 years. “When somebody comes into the store and asks for credit, he says O.K., you take it, and you pay me back.”
Mr. Cruz had a son and seven daughters. Several of them worked with him over the years in the bodega, which was closed yesterday. Angelina said the family did not plan to reopen.
“We are not going to keep the store,” she said. “It’s become a nightmare.”
Dmitry Kiper contributed reporting.
Queens Bodega Owner Dies After Being Shot in Robbery
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By THOMAS J. LUECK and ANN FARMER
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A Queens bodega owner died yesterday after being shot during a robbery on Monday by three men the police said may have carried out as many as 16 other robberies since March 17.
Skip to next paragraph
Enlarge This Image
Uli Seit for The New York Times
Yolanda Ramos, a friend of the Cruz family, at the Queens bodega where Bolivar Cruz, the owner, was shot.
The owner, Bolivar Cruz, a 53-year-old father of eight, was shot in the face by one of three masked men about 9:30 p.m. at his store in South Ozone Park while a daughter, Angelina; a co-worker; and a customer stood witness.
The store, Kennedy Mini Market at 133-45 131st Street, has been a fixture in the neighborhood north of Kennedy International Airport for more than 15 years.
Two of the men were armed when they entered the bodega, his daughter said yesterday, and when Mr. Cruz reached for a pistol he was carrying in his pocket, he was shot in the face before he was able to discharge his weapon.
“I am very traumatized,” said Angelina Cruz, 24, who was joined by four of her sisters, speaking to reporters yesterday outside Jamaica Hospital Medical Center, where a hospital spokesman said Mr. Cruz died at 9:50 a.m. yesterday.
“I saw my father on the floor bleeding to death,” she said.
At a news conference on Tuesday, Police Commissioner Raymond W. Kelly said, “We think there are other robberies associated with these three individuals.” Investigators laid out an extensive pattern of robberies in the neighborhoods of western Queens near the border of Nassau County and north of the airport.
In each case, bodegas or small food stores were robbed, the police said, and the robberies were carried out by one to three armed men.
Although no one was killed in the earlier robberies, the police said, some of them turned violent.
On March 26, two robbers entered a store at 143-02 Farmers Boulevard, and one fired a single round, striking a 49-year-old man in the left leg, causing a minor injury.
On May 6, three robbers entered a store at 112-01 Francis Lewis Boulevard, one of them hitting a worker on the back of his head, again causing minor injuries. Cash amounts up to $2,000 were taken in the series of robberies, the police said.
The police often seek to publicize such robbery patterns at an earlier stage in the investigation.
Paul J. Browne, a police spokesman, said yesterday that “when investigators determine that a series of crimes constitutes a pattern, and it is in the best interest of the investigation to make that public, they do so.” He added, “That happened day before yesterday.”
Last night there was another robbery at a bodega, at Linden Boulevard and the Van Wyck Expressway in South Ozone Park. The police said it did not appear to be related, and no injuries were reported.
Mr. Cruz’s daughters told reporters yesterday that the three men had entered the bodega as Angelina, who was working behind the counter, and Mr. Cruz, who was arranging bottles in a refrigerator nearby, were preparing to close for the night.
The daughters said that two of the robbers had used stockings to hide their faces and that the other robber used a bandana.
After the shooting, witnesses told the police, the three men may have fled in a red four-door Lexus with Florida license plates.
“A father’s reaction is to protect his child,” said Yolanda Ramos, a friend of the family who joined a hospital room vigil for Mr. Cruz, who had been on life support.
“He went to protect his daughter, and he ended up getting hurt.”
Other acquaintances described Mr. Cruz, who immigrated from the Dominican Republic in the 1970s, as a dedicated father and hard-working merchant who was widely respected in the neighborhood.
“He is a good man who doesn’t have a dispute with anybody,” said Frantz Lubin, who has lived next to the Kennedy Mini Market for 15 years. “When somebody comes into the store and asks for credit, he says O.K., you take it, and you pay me back.”
Mr. Cruz had a son and seven daughters. Several of them worked with him over the years in the bodega, which was closed yesterday. Angelina said the family did not plan to reopen.
“We are not going to keep the store,” she said. “It’s become a nightmare.”
Dmitry Kiper contributed reporting.
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