Who makes this brass

[avan47]

This is 223 brass with head stamp: M193 over 08. primers are not crimped.
So, who makes this brass?

 

[JO JO]

Pictures ?

 

[JO JO]

I guess without a picture it would be centurion ammo ,

 

[avan47]

Took me a while to figure out how to post an image, but here it is.

 

[Random 8]

I've seen similar ammo in 7.62x51 that was loaded in Cold War era Czechoslovakia. Was simply stamped 7.62 and year of manufacture, but that was Berdan primed.

I've encountered similar 5.56 brass at my range that was fired by LE. Packaging was also plain, brown cardboard simply marked M193 with no manufacturer given. Wonder if this was a special LE practice ammunition contract or military second (somebody messed up the headstamp machine that day)? This ammo was likely Federal Cartridge as the factory is in the same county as the LE range, and that department uses all Federal made ammunition, but the date on the brass I encountered was late '90s. It really could be almost anything, unless somebody has encountered this specific stamp from a known source.

 

[entropy]

Federal markets "XM193" commercially, but I don't recall the headstamp.

 

[JO JO]

markets "XM193" commercially, but I don't recall the headstamp

Would be FC or LC

 

[JO JO]

The headstamp the op is asking about is by centourin , it is not any military or le stuff

https://www.ingunowners.com/forums/ammunition-reloading/39933-centurion-m193-ball-review.html

 

[JO JO]

It is Just off brand marketing hype , does not even have the NATO cross stamp like the xm193 / m193

 

[nevadabob]

Thought these folks would have an answer but couldn't locate it. Click on the acorn for entrance:

https://afte.org/resources/headstamp-guide

 

[Metal God]

I’d like to have some of that ammo to test . Interested to know if it meets atleast the velocity standards of real xm193 not to mention the pressure curve function the semi autos correctly .

I’m sure they would claim it does not have the “x” so it’s not false advertising. It’s just “M”193 not XM

 

[entropy]

I think it would be the other way around; "x" on the front of nomenclature means it hasn't been adopted yet; the Federal XM193 commercial ammo is commercial stuff, just packaged to look military. Actual US military ammo has the initial code for the arsenal and the last 2 of the year.

 

[Varminterror]

Googling “M193 08 headstamp” kicks back a half dozen other forum links where shooters confirm it is Centurion ammo.

Might be M193 spec, but it’s not stamped, so it isn’t made for nato contracts.