Why All The Negative Waves On Kimber?

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Buzz Knox, the HRT purchase is what I was referring to.
Being out of service for almost twenty years now I can't argue against a man who is active duty.
If Pat Rogers is current active duty then I'll accept his word that they just clean 'em and issue 'em.
 
Onmilo said;
Being out of service for almost twenty years now I can't argue against a man who is active duty.
If Pat Rogers is current active duty then I'll accept his word that they just clean 'em and issue 'em.

Pat Rogers is the retired Marine WO4 who wrote the specs for the ICQB pistol. His company, provides training and consulting to military and police organizations worldwide. Pat also writes for S.W.A.T. magazine and occassionally posts here.

Jeff
 
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My carry gun for years has been a Kimber Custom Classic (series I) and it has performed flawlessly.

I did break a barrel bushing. I had installed a 28 lb recoil spring and was shooting .45 Super loads -- the spring broke the "legs" off the bushing in recoil. I replaced it with a stainless bushing that I fitted myself.
 
I don't think the problem is about the quality of Kimber's, but service after the sale. For a $1000 handgun, they should have a lifetime warranty and they should honor it immediately and without question. If Hi-Point and Taurus can do this for guns under $500 or even under $200, Kimber should too.

And if you want to talk about negative waves, try being a Hi-Point fan for awhile!!!
 
Buzz Knox, the HRT purchase is what I was referring to.

But HRT was using Para Ordnance, not Kimber. I believe they are now using the SA Pro, as are the rest of the FBI SWAT members.

I think you are actually meaning LAPD's D Platoon, the LA SWAT team. They use Kimber TLEs, and besides the shooters in USMC Force Recon, are the only "high profile" Kimber adopters.
 
My guess is the negative waves come from people who get melons and who's voices are louder than us owners who've been happy with them.

After 5000 rounds each, my Kimber Custom Eclipse II is doing better than my Glock 19, zero hiccups to one.

I too wonder how many of those cases are simply a matter of cleaning and maintenance. A also believe a lifetime warranty should be automatic for pistols $500+...
 
HRT used custom Les Baers built on Para-Ordnance frames. I'm not sure if they are still using them or not.

The Springfield Professional was selected by the FBI for use by its regional SWAT teams.

The LAPD SWAT team/ D Platoon uses a special version of the Kimber Custom with night sights and a checkered front strap. The current TLE is modeled after this gun. IIRC, each D Platoon office is issued two pistols: one with a Surefire Classic light mounted and one without. The TLE/RL II is an outgrowth of this practice.

The following is a list of departments issuing Kimbers as official firearms (from Kimber's website):

Tacoma PD WA
LA PD SWAT
Leon County SO SWAT
Seminole TX PD
Petersburg AK PD
Raton NM PD
Ault CO PD
Kerville TX PD SWAT
Lake County MT SO
Loveland CO PD
Mentor OH PD
Umatilla WA SWAT
Whitman City SO WA
Grey PD GA
Bremfield PD OH
 
Onmilo,

I wrote the spec on the ICQB. The weapons were shot as issued. The grip safety was replaced at a later date as the Shooters wanted a memory bump- and that was the only reason.

Not sure where you received your information, but it is flat false.
See Dec 03 SWAT magaine for the complete story.

As had been pointed out by other posters, FBI does not use Kimbers.

The amount of misinformation on the internet is astounding, and my belief is that the main purpose of the disinformation cowpath is purely to speed the propogation of bad rumors.
 
Not really sure I'm qualified to follow a post by Pat, but I can at least comment on my personal experience with my Kimbers. All my Kimbers have been great. I have about 25K rounds though 5 of them. My one issue that I've had has been with their chambers. I have a Kimber TLE that won't go past 1K rounds at a time without a FTE. Basically, the chamber needs to be reamed out for reliability. Their chambers are "match" chambers and are tighter, allegedly to enhance accuracy.
 
I have a early Clackamas, OR Kimber I custom royal that has served me well. Did the quality issues get worse after the move to Yonkers, NY? I was very fortunate to get this gun in a private transfer when a friend's husband died. The gun was 7 years old and spent all it's years in the safe since he died 6 years earlier.
 
couple of quick questions

does M.I.M = sintered?
are bill wilson's bulletproof parts M.I.M.?
 
does M.I.M = sintered?

NO

are bill wilson's bulletproof parts M.I.M.?

NO

From:

http://www.glocktalk.com/showthread...&perpage=10&highlight=wilson mim&pagenumber=2


"In 2002, I contacted Wilson Combat to get some additional data on my 1996A2. Frank Robbins responded to my questions as follows:


"I think I can clear up some of your questions. The 1996A2 is the base gun for all our models. On the BATF log books, it will say 1996A2 no matter what the model is.

In 1996 we first came out with our own guns. The first ones said 1996A2 on one side and on the other it said whatever the model was Protector, CQB etc.

We also sold a basic model called the 1996A2. It was very close to a CQB, but did not have checkering or serrations on the front strap and had rubber panel grips. It came in Parkerize or blue and later was available in hardchrome frame/black Polymer top or in all Polymer (forerunner of our Armor Tuff.)

(Then) At this time our Protectors & Classics were marked Service Grade. Later this name was dropped (about the time we started the CQB.) You might still find CQB's or some of the other models marked 1996A2 or Service Grade.

Also, to clear up another question, the CQB and carbon steel Protectors are identical except in color and that the Protector comes with a full length guide rod and the CQB comes with a short guide (this is now a steel short guide rod.

Originally it was in polymer to work as another form of buffer, but was being knocked because people did not understand the principal. We here, including Bill Wilson still use the polymer type.)

The short guide is used in the CQB because ordinally designed for the military, a long guide rod is a little harder to disassembly/reassembly in a field environment.

This year (2002), we have dropped the carbon steel Protector and Protector Compact. The customer can now order the CQB/CQB Compact in all black, all grey (new color Armor Tuff), all OD Green, or Black over Green or Black over Grey. And if desired, a full length guide rod. Because of this, there is no need for the carbon steel Protectors, however we will still make the all stainless steel and Black over Stainless steel Protectors.

I hope this helps to understand our products and some of the reasons behind them.


One other thing I forgot to address. MIM parts. A company that I will not name gave the MIM parts a bad name because they had a bad batch of MIM parts. This was many years ago. Since then remarkable things have happened.

MIM parts are extremely dense and very exact. They are much less prone to wear and breakage than a factory Colt, Spfg. etc. part. This is why we use them in our CQB's, etc.

Although not quite as hard as our tool steel parts, they will last a very long time. This is why we can still quarante our total gun, including the MIM parts, for life.

The tool steel parts are actually overkill. The MIM parts last for life (I know of one gun that has over 100,000 rounds thru it and the trigger pull feels the same as it did when new) therefore I guess you could say the tool steel parts lasts for a lifetime and ½.

We use the tool steel parts in our full custom guns. (These are the ones that cost from $2800.00 up) Our full custom guns, Stealth, Tactical Elite, Super Grade and Tactical Super Grade, are not for everyone because of price. They are intended for someone that can afford the very best we can do.

They actually won't last any longer, shoot any straighter or be more dependable than our CQB's, Protectors and Classics, but we spend many extra hours in fitting and prepping them for a perfect cosmetic handgun as well as a great shooter. And because of this, we use the tool steel parts that take longer to fit.

Again, all of us guys here, including Bill Wilson use the very same MIM parts in our guns. And we shoot a bunch! Once installed and fit, no one can tell the difference in the feel of the trigger pull with either type of parts.

Ok, I'm done with my book. Hope this helps too. Just didn't want you to believe everything you read from self appointed experts."

Frank Robbins Wilson Combat
 
Last week I was sitting at a stop light when a wrecker went by. It was towing a brand new BMW (7 Series I think) that still had the price sticker on the window. Right behind the BMW was a Chevy Chevette chugging along on it's own power. Lemons happen in all machines.

Sounds to me more like one BMW dealership was sending a 7 to another dealership for a sale and didn't want to put the miles on the car, buyers generally wanting cars with low mileage on them.
 
I have a early Clackamas, OR Kimber I custom royal that has served me well. Did the quality issues get worse after the move to Yonkers, NY? I was very fortunate to get this gun in a private transfer when a friend's husband died. The gun was 7 years old and spent all it's years in the safe since he died 6 years earlier.
All my Kimbers are from Yonkers, so this isn't speaking from experience, but Clack pistols are considered to be the most desireable Kimbers. My understanding (CMIIW) is that all the parts are machined billet, no MIM, and all the models were Model 1s with no extra safety.
 
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