Why are Rugers looked at...........

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...so badly by others? I was chatting at another forum and just about everyone had something bad to say about Rugers. One person said that they would pick a Crossman or Daisy BB gun over a Ruger, I don't understand that because a lot of people love 10/22's and Rugers' revolvers. Is it just Rugers semi-auto's or something else all together.
That being said I'm thinking about getting rid of my P90 and 345 for a H&K USPC and I don't know why. The P90 is a great gun but the 345 still has me worried. What are your thoughts????????
 
My feeling is that the Ruger centefire pistols are generally just not aesthetically pleasing. I just can't see why I would buy one when I can get a Witness, as an example, for the same or less money. My knowledge of them is limited to one or two I have been able to play with, triggers were so-so, nothing to brag about in the accuracy department, built hell for stout. The revolvers and .22's at least have the advantage of some style to them. I know of lot of people say they are only tools, but there is no reason to purposely make them ugly.

Accuracy of the centerfires in the old days was hit or miss, as was the accuracy reputation for their rifles. This was due to using reportedly $20 barrels. True or not, who knows, but it makes a good internet rumor.
 
Ruger makes good stuff, who cares what other sites think. Some people like Chevy over Ford and Sig over HK. Its all good stuff on name brand products.
Rugers work well and has for years. Do not get caught up in others opinions. I listen to what others say but that does not mean I'm going to go to a Glock forum and sell all my stuff to buy some other brand,
 
I've heard it said that Bill Ruger was a great machinist, but a lousy gunsmith. My Mark I is a great pistol, but my 10/22 (circa 1970) has a simply horrible trigger. Never jams, but terrible trigger.

Don't have a Ruger revolver, but understand thy're very stout.

I agree, it's the aesthetics.

RBH
 
"I'm thinking about getting rid of my P90 and 345 for a H&K USPC and I don't know why."

I think I know why. Because gun lovers are only satisfied for a little while and they want to try something different. I have bought and traded many guns, and most of the time I didn't really find any one that much better than the others. (except for one real pos) It sure is fun though.
 
Some people are snobs if you don't pay an arm and a leg for a pistol they're no good.Ruger makes what I would call the average man's gun they may not be pretty but they are a very good value and are built like a tank. When the P 85 first came out Ruger wanted to find out how strong is this pistol,
They put in a solid barrel and a proof load in the pistol put it in a vice put a string on the trigger ducked behind a wall and pulled the string.Short story the slide stayed put minus a few pieces
Can't ask fo better than that
 
I'm happy with mine. Agree the trigger on the 10-22 leaves a bit to be desired but off a bag there's few .22s more accurate and the trigger can be improved pretty easily.. As far as handguns, I don't think their autos are a damned bit uglier than a number of more touted and higher priced guns and they work. My preference in Ruger revolvers are the single actions. Don't think many people can complain about them unless they're just nitpicking. My opinions are based on use, not on what I've heard.
 
In my opinion it's because Rugers are built with strength as a priority not the appearance. Their simply not cutting edge with tactical looks. They don't offer flash and fancyness or little accessories. They're also don't have a large availability of aftermarket parts/accessories. They do however run like an Energizer bunny. Plenty over strong and at an affordable price.
 
I love my GP-100 revolver. I daresay that if I were limited to just one handgun, it'd be the one I choose.

Nevertheless, I have never been attracted to any Ruger pistol. It's always something whether it be looks, availability of spare parts, lack of mag capacity, slide mounted safeties, etcetera.

At least I am reasonably certain that my revolver will never need a repair shop. I don't share that faith with Ruger autos.
 
Perhaps it has more to do with the politics of the company rather than the product. My understanding is that the company (or parts of it) have very conservative views about regular citizens owning certain types of guns.
 
To each his own

I own a P345 in stainless and find it to be a very nice looking gun. I have a friend who is about to buy his first gun and he selected a Ruger (P89, I think) based almost solely on appearance!

Ruger sells a whole lotta guns, so I don't think it really matters what their detractors think or say.

I have read a number of complains about Ruger's politics, but I could say the same about S&W related to their participation in the "smart gun" initiative.
 
Ugly is in the eye of the beholder.

I went into a gunshop just to look (like that ever works out :D ), and ended up getting a new P345 which I just picked up today. I think it's beautiful. Took it to the range today and I was very impressed with the function and feel of it.

I'll admit I'm not too fond of the way the rest of the P-series looks, but I don't buy tools solely based on their appearance. An ugly hammer still pounds nails.

I first noticed this one because of the contoured grip, which I think makes all the difference in the world as far as appearance goes. I fell in love with it because of the way it works. It's very similar to a 1911 functionally, but with a decocker/safety and accessory rail.

People used to tell me my Hi-Point was a POS because it looked bad, but that gun was incredibly reliable. You just can't judge a book by its cover.
 
It also could have been one or more "trolls" on that other board just sending an anti-Ruger jab up the flagpole to see if some brand-loyal fellow salutes it.

And too, a lot gets made of the alleged "politics" of the Ruger company - all of it over a letter Bill Ruger sent to our beloved government and not even the entire letter, just the comment that said (paraphrasing) Bill Ruger did not think civilian gun-owners needed large capacity magazines.
The 2nd Amendment is not about the "need" of the people - it's about the right of the People. But Bill Ruger never said it was. He did not address the "right, he simply said the "need" wasn't there and the 1st Amendment gives him (and all of us) the right to say that if it is what we believe. ! And for the record, the 2nd Amendment addresses firearms, not 30-shot clips.
But Ruger's comment has been picked up and stretched and folded and bent and taken from context and otherwise manipulated by some people to the point where it has no more to do with the "politics" of the company than Integrity has to do with the people who keep repeating it.
It might just be that Ruger was trying to nudge the focus of restrictive legislation away from the guns and onto magazines so we could at least hang onto our Mini-14s with lesser magazines and our 1851 Navies! And I'll go on record saying I don't think civilians "need" 30-shot clips either - simply because I've not needed any such thing ever and I've spent many years using guns in many venues. But neither do I particularly care if someone has a 30-shot clip and neither do I think someone else's clip is subject to my approval.

Here is a synopsis of "The Ruger "Politics"...

"After a spate of high profile shootings and incidences with the Ruger Mini 14 rifle, along with a number of unsavory associations the Mini 14 had gained with militias and extremist movements during the late 1970's and early 1980's, William Ruger expressed a highly unpopular position (amongst firearms owners, users and enthusiasts) by stating his personal views on the "sporting" nature of certain firearms.

In his letter to members of the House and Senate on 30 March 1989, Mr. Ruger stated in what has come to be known as "The Ruger Letter":

"The best way to address the firepower concern is therefore not to try to outlaw or license many millions of older and perfectly legitimate firearms (which would be a licensing effort of staggering proportions) but to prohibit the possession of high capacity magazines. By a simple, complete, and unequivocal ban on large capacity magazines, all the difficulty of defining "assault rifles" and "semi-automatic rifles" is eliminated. The large capacity magazine itself, separate or attached to the firearm, becomes the prohibited item. A single amendment to Federal firearms laws could prohibit their possession or sale and would effectively implement these objectives."
In addition to the furor amongst hunters, sportsmen and shooters caused by "The Ruger Letter", Mr. Ruger made additional comments during an interview with NBCs Tom Brokaw that angered 2nd Amendment proponents even further, by saying that "no honest man needs more than 10 rounds in any gun…" and "I never meant for simple civilians to have my 20 and 30 round magazines…"

This position, coming from an important firearms manufacturer such as Mr. Ruger, caused outrage in the shooting sports community and led to a boycott of Ruger products that is still practiced by many firearms purchasers to this day. "The Ruger Letter" is widely accepted as being the genesis for those parts of legislation that were drafted 5 years later in the now defunct Assault Weapons Ban which prohibited the manufacture of any magazines holding over 10 rounds of ammunition for civilian sale.

While it is unknown what the true motives behind "The Ruger Letter" really were, it is widely speculated that his position on magazine capacity was more a matter of smart business than one of individual philosophy. Given the legislative climate regarding firearms during that time (the late 1980's/early 1990's), the prospect of an outright ban that may have impacted one of Rugers most popular and profitable models (the Mini 14) was a very real possibility.

By taking preemptive measures to shift the focus from the "guns" to the "magazine capacity", this would allow Sturm, Ruger Inc. to continue production with their Mini 14 line of firearms for civilian sale. Any legislation regarding magazines would have had zero impact on their bottom line, given that Ruger maintained a company policy refusing to sell Mini 14 magazines over 5 rounds (which wouldn't have been affected), even prior to the 1994 legislation mandating such. "

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Local opinions may, and are welcome to, vary. :D
 
Have never been able to warm up to the P series guns. My experience has been limited to a friend's P85 and more extensively to a P97 I owned (past tense). Their principal advantage is price, and there's more to life than just that.

The .22 autopistol has been a winner since 1949, with simpler being better. If the trigger needs work I find that the best thing is to just drop in an aftermarket sear and hammer (Volquartsen) and enjoy.

The single actions have always been good guns if somewhat rough. That may be changing as the most recent ones (flattop commemoratives and New Vaqueros) are very nicely made--vastly improved as to quality and finish.

The company is shifting gears somewhat as it needs to do. They need to concentrate on their core products--revolvers, .22 pistols, plinking rifles and perhaps better bolt guns. A lot of their product line could be dropped without much loss.
 
Hi Dienekes...

Gotta agree with you on Ruger's need to sorta "stick with what they do well".
I bought my first Ruger (a Blackhawk) in the 60s and have bought and loved many of their products since then. But I've asked myself "Why" on at least a couple of their new product introductions probably every year.
Personally, the Single Actions, Single Shots, the M77 and the .22s have all been great. But most of their other product entries have left me cold.
Compared to a company like, say, Browning, whose "batting average" has been about 90% for more than a century, poor Ruger sure seems to play "second-fiddle".:(

Local opinions may vary. :)
 
P345 has you worried ? Well, somewhere between 1600 and 2000 rounds now through mine.. not a single failure of any type ( but it does need to be lubed often or else you can really start to feel the slide ).. but still, how many .45s can you ever say that about ?
I have to agree with BlkHawk73. Rugers are strong dependable guns, but not the prettiest of guns, and they don't have many aftermarket parts. So why do you hear bad things about them ? Because they really aren't "tacti-cool". And typically all of the many mall ninjas out there will simply refuse to believe that a gun selling for cheaper than another can ever be the superior product.
 
People bash Ruger autoloaders for the same reason they bash most all Taurus handguns: they don't have a clue. If it is a reliable and accurate gun and you are happy with it, that's all that matters. The opinions of the uneducated aren't going to save your life in a gunfight.

My only complaint with Ruger is that their line of autoloaders is limited, it would be nice to see more options and sizes, maybe a subcompact P95.
 
It was Bill Ruger, Sr's intention to not demonize the guns. He just suggested something along the lines of magazine capacity restriction. It wasn't meant to protect his bottom line, but save the whole breed of rifles, and ultimately, all firearms.

As far as bad mouthing Ruger firearms themselves, I agree with a couple posters above...gun snobs. They can't accept the fact a reasonable priced firearm can be as good as the Rugers are. I endured that crap when I started shooting action pistol sports. The 686 and Python guys couldn't understand how a Ruger Security Six "could shoot that well" (it would shoot 3/4" groups at 25 yards consistantly with 158 fmj ammo). A stock P85 MkII I sold my brother was devastating in bowling pin and in club action matches. The P90 has a reputation for being one of the most accurate stock class autos out there (let's not count the $1500 + customs). Add to that attitude, the centerfire autos are on the chunkie side - "too blockie". The slimming trend started with the P94 and has continued. The 345 is a new generation "looks" gun - I have it on my need to get list. Nice gun all around. Even has Tupperward construction in it. Strong, accurate, durable. I think it will be well recieved.

Except by the gun snobs.
 
This is just my "instinct" opinion but I think much of the flap when Bill Ruger wrote his letter (17 years ago!) came from the big importers/distributers of para-military weapons and doo-dads who also had profits on the line. And I think the people who picked that up and continue to grouse about Ruger's alleged politics comes from the more or less "tactical" crowd.
I don't think they are being at all fair but the 1st Amendment doesn't require fairness any more than the 2nd Amendment requires a gun manufacturer to please everybody.

Though I wouldn't even dream of pretending that Ruger ever made a .22 auto even close in quality to a Smith 41 or any of several Brownings or Colts, I can say I have one of their early .22 autos that has chugged along for decades without a hitch and that is more than can be said for many guns. It hasn't gotten any prettier or gained any more status - but then neither have I. :)
 
My personal take on Ruger centerfire semi-autos is that they simply don't fit my hand very well, so I'm not much inclined to own one. However, the little bit of time I've spent on the range playing with Rugers, they've seemed reliable and pretty nicely accurate.
 
I own and have owned a bunch of Rugers, and ALL of them (save one) have been superb. I've sold some and now wish I still had them.

I own a GP-100 that I will never part with. In fact, when I reduced my handgun collection down to one centerfire and a couple of .22s, it was the GP-100 I kept. It's one of those guns I feel like I absolutely need. I also own a stainless SP-101 .357, a stainless Redhawk .44, and 2 stainless Super Blackhawks .44. I don't feel I can do any better with any other make.

I owned a blued P85 9mm that I sold because I needed money, and I never replaced it. I shot the hell out of it, though, with never a hitch.

I owned a stainless Ruger P90 .45 and put probably 10,000 rounds through it before I sold it, and never had a problem.

I owned a Ruger MkII that I took apart and couldn't get back together. I actually had to take it back to the dealer who looked at me like I was an idiot until he couldn't get it back together, either. He put it in the box and said "Ruger can figure it out," and replaced the gun with another. It came apart and went back together just fine. That was the only lemon I ever got.

I also own 2 Ruger M77s (.30-06 and .308) and they are superb as well.

For me, except for that MkII, Ruger has been a stand-by brand. I've been on ranges where people had more expensive guns, but nobody ever had a better gun.
 
I own a Super Black Hawk and a MKIII love them both, they are not as fancy as S&W but in my opinion and from discussions with friends they are more rugged than S&W's, I like the designs asthetically they please me, simple is pleasure in some cases.:)

Ruger 1911 frame pistol would be very nice also and I dont mean the 22/45 I mean .45acp.
 
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Because some gun snobs choose to stoop to Bill Rugers level and demonize firearms they dont like for whatever arbitrary reason.
 
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