Why are the Democrats so upset about Alito?
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Gordon Fink
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The right to arms is already in the Constitution, but we sure do a lot of worrying about it. Same idea …
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boofus
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Abortion is a collective right of the people. Only women in the National Guard should be allowed to have abortions.
*see we can both play the living document nonsense game*
*see we can both play the living document nonsense game*
afasano
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ArmedBear said:
Earl Warren's revenge, he came up with the idea to intern the Japanese-americans and when he got on the court he tried to make up for it by making all kinds of screwy rulings.
That makes you wonder why they are so picky about the private clubs someone belongs to.
Gordon Fink said:
My post was sarcasm...
I can point to where the right to bear arms is found in the Constitution. What about abortion?
BTW I'm pro-choice, and I'm all for abortion. But I'm also all for Constitutional law, because otherwise we have to make unacceptable compromises to keep our liberties. Generally, we give up one liberty in return for another, if we have to rely on ideologies of individuals. Put in the leftie for privacy, the rightie for property rights, the leftie for abortion, the rightie for guns? Not a good solution.
That's what the political arena is for (Congress, mainly), not the Judiciary. The Judiciary is supposed to be a CHECK on this phenomenon, not part of it.
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22-rimfire
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The vocal Democrats are-Kennedy, Kerry, Feinstein, and Schumer. It has been the case for a long time as they are all in the judiciary committee. There are many abortion rights cases that come up periodically. It is not just Roe vs. Wade. Even if the court overturned RvW, it would just put the legal responsibility back in the hands of the states to legislate abortion or the so called women's right to choose. The fact is that most state governments and a majority of the people are generally against abortion for the most part and as a result, the right to choosers won't have the Supreme Court shelter on this choice to kill.
Other issues, I feel that the president does have extraordinary power. But it is ultimately up to Congress to fund most ventures. The president is not above the law, but in the case of the wire-taps, I believe he is right to have authorized the taps on out of the country calls to known al Quida people or supporters. His first responsibility is to protect the people of the US in my opinion. IF that means hitting Iran, so be it (when the time is proper). We also need to keep an eye on South American communism and in particular Venezuela.
The oil weapon is very important and Iran does yield it one way or the other. We have to get past this extreme energy dependance thing. We griped about $3 gas, how do you feel about $10 gas? Is it worth going to war over? Probably, since it will destroy the economy of our country. But you have to be careful how you do it. You need to cut the head off the snake first.
The world has gotten so complicated. We can not go back to the pre-WWI isolationism. Because, nothing is truly isolated anymore unless you are hunting for one well funded man with many supporters (bin Laden).
Other issues, I feel that the president does have extraordinary power. But it is ultimately up to Congress to fund most ventures. The president is not above the law, but in the case of the wire-taps, I believe he is right to have authorized the taps on out of the country calls to known al Quida people or supporters. His first responsibility is to protect the people of the US in my opinion. IF that means hitting Iran, so be it (when the time is proper). We also need to keep an eye on South American communism and in particular Venezuela.
The oil weapon is very important and Iran does yield it one way or the other. We have to get past this extreme energy dependance thing. We griped about $3 gas, how do you feel about $10 gas? Is it worth going to war over? Probably, since it will destroy the economy of our country. But you have to be careful how you do it. You need to cut the head off the snake first.
The world has gotten so complicated. We can not go back to the pre-WWI isolationism. Because, nothing is truly isolated anymore unless you are hunting for one well funded man with many supporters (bin Laden).
Malone LaVeigh
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If it's true that Alito doesn't have as firm a position on executive power as I have seen indicated, then I will be greatly relieved, since the main thing I was concerned about. I probably wouldn't agree with him on abortion, but conservatives have been winning elections for a long time and it's about time for the chickens to come home to roost on that one.
That being said, I doubt if we really know where he stands on the executive thing. The part he advocated was related to the ability of the president, through statements made on bill signing, to affect the ways laws are interpreted. That is apparently an area where Bush has been especially abusive, e.g., signing the bill against torture, but reserving the power to ignore it if he feels like it.
Can't wait for Hillary to take that power and run with it. "In signing this bill for nationwide CCW, I interpret it to give me the power to begin confiscation immediately."
That being said, I doubt if we really know where he stands on the executive thing. The part he advocated was related to the ability of the president, through statements made on bill signing, to affect the ways laws are interpreted. That is apparently an area where Bush has been especially abusive, e.g., signing the bill against torture, but reserving the power to ignore it if he feels like it.
Can't wait for Hillary to take that power and run with it. "In signing this bill for nationwide CCW, I interpret it to give me the power to begin confiscation immediately."
Headless Thompson Gunner said:
I'm firmly in the camp that anyone who has a strong (I could say "lifelong" or "overwhelming") desire to wield power over others is tha last person who can be trusted with it. This is why I find some solace in our system of "checks and balances". Each branch of government has (as a part of it's responsibilities) the duty to watch over the others, and keep individual players in this grand game from operating out of control, breaking the law, and generally screwing with the status quo.
I'm just as leery of having all three branches controlled by Republicans as I would be of having all three branches controlled by Democrats. Not that our current status quo is all that good, mind you, but that it could be so much worse (and appears headed in that direction).
crofrog
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from the brady bunch website:
wolf
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Most of the huffing and puffing is patently ludicrous, of course, but if it keeps the senators' names in the headlines and placates the lunatic fringe, all's well.[/I
now now...they are not huffing & puffing...its the new far left aerobics class...1..2..hot air in..3..4..hot air out...ok now...burn the flag..breath in...burn the 2nd amendment...breath out...what do we want..ABORTION...when do we want it...24/7...ok...now that we are feeling good...KILL THE DEATH PENALTY..Teddy...Teddy breath..breath Teddy breath..
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now now...they are not huffing & puffing...its the new far left aerobics class...1..2..hot air in..3..4..hot air out...ok now...burn the flag..breath in...burn the 2nd amendment...breath out...what do we want..ABORTION...when do we want it...24/7...ok...now that we are feeling good...KILL THE DEATH PENALTY..Teddy...Teddy breath..breath Teddy breath..
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Winzeler
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It sounds like you're pretty much a solid libertarian. However, even libertarians don't advocate the right to murder. Therefore, abortion is not above board for a libertarian, because it depends on how you define life and the right to life. I happen to define life as beginning at conception, and, therefore, disagree with you on any right to abortion, though we both are libertarians.ArmedBear said:
progunner1957
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The Democrats and their blind rage
1: Alito is a conservative, not a socialist.
2: The socialist/Democratic party, as someone else pointed out, relies on the power of federal judges to advance their socialist political agenda.
3: The powermongers of the socialist/Democratic party - Clinton, Schumer, Kennedy, Kerry, Feinstein and Pelosi are eaten alive by their blind rage over Bush winning in 2000 and especially in 2004. Not only do they hate Bush, they hate We The People who elected him President twice.
4: The abovementioned (#3) get their faces on TV and on the cover of the New York Times and other socialist rags by throwing tantrums. In their present political situation, throwing tantrums is all they can do.
5: They (#3) will say and do anything to try to tear down Bush and the Republican party in the hopes that We The People will swallow their lies and half-truths and return them to power in the 2006 elections.
The current so-called "spying scandal"
is evidence of this.
It is something else - several things, specifically:
1: Alito is a conservative, not a socialist.
2: The socialist/Democratic party, as someone else pointed out, relies on the power of federal judges to advance their socialist political agenda.
3: The powermongers of the socialist/Democratic party - Clinton, Schumer, Kennedy, Kerry, Feinstein and Pelosi are eaten alive by their blind rage over Bush winning in 2000 and especially in 2004. Not only do they hate Bush, they hate We The People who elected him President twice.
4: The abovementioned (#3) get their faces on TV and on the cover of the New York Times and other socialist rags by throwing tantrums. In their present political situation, throwing tantrums is all they can do.
5: They (#3) will say and do anything to try to tear down Bush and the Republican party in the hopes that We The People will swallow their lies and half-truths and return them to power in the 2006 elections.
The current so-called "spying scandal"
is evidence of this.Art Eatman
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And we'll have no more discussion of abortion, okay? You want to comment that you're for or against Alito's position, okay, but leave it at that. We're not keeping records for a poll.
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