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Why are those who cause legislation "exempt" from it?

Discussion in 'Legal' started by jimpeel, Oct 31, 2003.

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  1. jimpeel

    jimpeel Member

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    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,101838,00.html

    So Roy Horn is exempt from legislation that he was instrumental in causing to be brought about.

    Cops are exempt from "smart gun" legislation that is touted as being for their protection.

    There are numerous other examples but, why bother. I'm just one of the minions.
     
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    For the same reason members of congress are exempted from such things as sexual harassment laws, they are the elite and laws are to keep the peasants in line.
     
  3. Waitone

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    Simple

    Its call the golden rule.

    "Them whats got the gold. . . . . rules."

    No surprise there.
     
  4. Standing Wolf

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    Our elected misrepresentatives believe they're the new aristocracy.

    Most of them need to be fired.
     
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    Peasant! How dare you! Back to your rice paddy!
     
  6. jimpeel

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    Break's over! Back on your heads!
     
  7. Jeff White

    Jeff White Moderator Staff Member

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    We need to sequester congress like a jury when it's in session. That way they could get their real job done, passing budgets etc. and not write kneejerk meaningless legislation based on what they see on the news.

    Wasn't the NY law Yates was charged under adequate?

    Jeff
     
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    I think they're exempting institutions like zoos and performers because they can be more easily regulated.
     
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    We need protection from ourselves! Help! :cuss:
     
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    :neener:

    Haven't heard that one in a coupla years :)
     
  11. Orthonym

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    Because They Can!

    I recommend to you all the joke about the dog and his, uh, private parts.
     
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    Or because they're more likely to have the (vet) skills required to deal with big cats. I kind of agree with the 'big cats aren't for everyone' stance. If you want to keep a cat as a pet, you are IMO responsible for that pet, including knowing how to handle it. With a siamese or tabby that isn't a problem. With a lion or tiger it's quite another story.

    :scrutiny: What they seem to be going after are people who buy a big cat on a lark, without having the skills to keep it. :scrutiny:

    Some people may wonder why Roy Horn would be exempted. The reason likely is that Roy not only runs a performance act, he also runs what amounts to a private big cat zoo including a breeding program. He (or his people) likely already has to jump through a large number of hoops for that, including showing skill in handling and keeping.

    Cheers,
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    Hhmmm, change "big cats" to "guns" and you have the same logic that that antis use.

    Just because you or I do not keep "big cats" doesn't mean it should be prohibited or restricted to "professionals". Of course the owners (of any pet) should be responsible for the actions of the pets, but restricting them to a professional class is just one more step of the "wimpification" of America....Heck, most people don't even know how to work on their cars anymore...They just leave it to the "professional" :barf:
     
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    What part of the US Constitution gives the Feds the right to regulate pets?By what logic is this a Federal matter at all? This is a matter for state and local (zoning?) laws.

    As I see it, the ONLY way the Feds have a right to stick their nose in is if they're dealing with IMPORT of big cats (international commerce) or, possibly, if the cats cross state lines. (interstate commerce)

    I wonder what the Founders would say about the Federal Government they created doing stuff like this?
     
  15. erikm

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    Not really. Despite the BB's ranting, a gun isn't alive. Most people can be quickly and simply trained to handle handguns and if the training is followed, the gun will 'react' the same way every time.

    The same can not be said for a big cat unless:
    - the handler is kept out of reach of the cat or
    - the handler has several years experience with the cat
    Even in these cases, things can go wrong (as Roy found out).

    What they seem to be trying to target are the people who keep big cats in unsafe conditions for themselves, their neigbors and possibly the cats. People like that mad New Yorker who kept the tiger in his apartment.

    Now if you want to keep a tiger as a pet, go right ahead. Just make sure you have the right skills, enclosures and safeguards for the job. It'll spare law enforcement from having to clean up some gory messes and/or having to shoot the animals.

    Cheers,
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    Absolutely; big cats are NOT for everyone. But the decision of whether or not a big cat is for you should be up to you, not some bureaucrat.
     
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    Everybody is created equal, some more equal than others..

    For some reason, if you have the word "Senator" in front of your name, you somehow gain magic powers that exempt you..:barf:
     
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    Now tell me, seriously, do you really want your IDIOT NEIGHBOR to have a 500 lb Bengal Tiger in his back yard, when he can't even keep his stinking little Chihauhau from getting loose?
     
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    Isn't this just a zoning issue though? Should be handelled locally, not Federally.
     
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    Could be a state issue too (I'd really hate to give the Zoning Nazis any more power than they already have :what: ).
    School Free Gun Zones
    Tiger Free Chihuahua Zones:confused:
     
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    Doesn't bother me. That's what guns are for. :evil:

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    [blockquote](Sergeant) Now tell me, seriously, do you really want your IDIOT NEIGHBOR to have a 500 lb Bengal Tiger in his back yard, when he can't even keep his stinking little Chihauhau from getting loose?[/blockquote]
    This doesn't just affect the idiot keeping a bengal tiger in an apartment. This also affects someone who has a lot of land with an indestructable fence or natural boundaries, and who likes cats. Congress knows how to ban just bengals in apartments using their twisted notion of interstate commerce. They didn't do that. This law makes it illegal " to import, export, transport, sell, receive, acquire, or purchase in interstate or foreign commerce" a "lion, tiger, leopard, cheetah, jaguar, or cougar." Notice the lack of "possess" or "own." It doesn't ban ownership of such things if they've previously been transported in interstate commerce. It doesn't ban ownership of such things if they affect interstate commerce. Anyone who can smuggle any of those cats across state lines into their own state is free and clear as long as there's no proof they smuggled it in. Possession of cats previously transported in interstate or foreign commerce is not illegal under this law.

    Congress passes yet another nonsense law. Yawn. If it wasn't this bill, it would have been something else.
     
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    Doesn't ban possession, just transport over state lines.

    It's the Interstate Commerce Claws, doncha know... :D
     
  24. tyme

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    That's never stopped them before. The U.S. Code is full of laws prohibiting ownership of anything if a gram of material incorporated into it used to be in another state.

    All claws, no bite?
     
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    Answering “jimpeel’s†original question: Because most of them don’t have a clue. Most vote on whatever they think they can get away with – right or wrong.
     
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