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"Why do you need 30 round magazines?"...
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horsemen61
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Last time I checked this was THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA It is not a question of need it is because I want it that is why I have it 
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Demolition Man is one of my favorite films.
The theme is very relevant to today. If you have never seen it or
saw it years ago, it's worth a tub of popcorn and a Coke.
From the film:
You see, according to Cocteau's plan, I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think; I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech and freedom of choice. I'm the kind of guy who likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder, "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecued ribs with the side order of gravy fries?" I WANT high cholesterol. I wanna eat bacon and butter and BUCKETS of cheese, okay? I want to smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section.
The theme is very relevant to today. If you have never seen it or
saw it years ago, it's worth a tub of popcorn and a Coke.
From the film:
You see, according to Cocteau's plan, I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think; I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech and freedom of choice. I'm the kind of guy who likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder, "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecued ribs with the side order of gravy fries?" I WANT high cholesterol. I wanna eat bacon and butter and BUCKETS of cheese, okay? I want to smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section.
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Much better, since their response to the first would be: The shooter STOLE that magazine, therefore no one should have them, lest theirs get stolen, too.
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Happy 2013, I hope.
The answer is dead simple: We need 30-round magazines because our oppressors have them.
The Founders lived in a country that was freed from British tyranny by citizens with guns who organized into militias to fight it, and they envisioned such militias would always exist to do exactly the same thing--fight back against tyranny. That is why they enshrined the right to keep and bear arms in the Constitution.
When you break it down succinctly, these 18th century citizen militias were able to achieve victory because of four things:
1) They had a thirst for freedom. It would have been easier to simply let themselves be oppressed and fed by the Crown, and a lot of Colonists wanted to do just that. But rolling over and begging from government was not what America was about.
2) They had effective, layered leadership. George Washington was a savvy tactician and brilliant strategist, but his true greatness lay in his ability to motivate and energize his subordinate leaders and their forces.
3) They enjoyed much shorter lines of communication and supply than their oppressors. Ultimately, the British crown decided that given the economic hardships and logistical complexities of an overseas war and the tremendous expense of maintaining their vast empire, it was no longer feasible to fight the colonials. Had the king made continuing to hold the American colonies his highest priority, things would have turned out very differently.
4) They had the same weapons technology their oppressors had. The British army was oppressing colonial citizens with bladed weapons, muzzle-loading cannon, and single shot muzzle-loading muskets with bayonets. They Colonials fought back with the same.
The Second Amendment is not about personal or home defense, shooting sports, hunting, or collecting. It's about protecting freedom from those who would seek to diminish it. It's about fighting tyranny and oppression. That brings us back to where we started: We need 30-round magazines because our oppressors have them. We've already let our oppressors rob us of automatic weapons, supposedly for our own good, and now we would surrender still more to them?
This battle is not about guns per se. It's about the choice we face: allow government to control every aspect of our lives under the false promise of added security, or take charge of our own lives and of the government that seeks to rob us of liberty.
The answer is dead simple: We need 30-round magazines because our oppressors have them.
The Founders lived in a country that was freed from British tyranny by citizens with guns who organized into militias to fight it, and they envisioned such militias would always exist to do exactly the same thing--fight back against tyranny. That is why they enshrined the right to keep and bear arms in the Constitution.
When you break it down succinctly, these 18th century citizen militias were able to achieve victory because of four things:
1) They had a thirst for freedom. It would have been easier to simply let themselves be oppressed and fed by the Crown, and a lot of Colonists wanted to do just that. But rolling over and begging from government was not what America was about.
2) They had effective, layered leadership. George Washington was a savvy tactician and brilliant strategist, but his true greatness lay in his ability to motivate and energize his subordinate leaders and their forces.
3) They enjoyed much shorter lines of communication and supply than their oppressors. Ultimately, the British crown decided that given the economic hardships and logistical complexities of an overseas war and the tremendous expense of maintaining their vast empire, it was no longer feasible to fight the colonials. Had the king made continuing to hold the American colonies his highest priority, things would have turned out very differently.
4) They had the same weapons technology their oppressors had. The British army was oppressing colonial citizens with bladed weapons, muzzle-loading cannon, and single shot muzzle-loading muskets with bayonets. They Colonials fought back with the same.
The Second Amendment is not about personal or home defense, shooting sports, hunting, or collecting. It's about protecting freedom from those who would seek to diminish it. It's about fighting tyranny and oppression. That brings us back to where we started: We need 30-round magazines because our oppressors have them. We've already let our oppressors rob us of automatic weapons, supposedly for our own good, and now we would surrender still more to them?
This battle is not about guns per se. It's about the choice we face: allow government to control every aspect of our lives under the false promise of added security, or take charge of our own lives and of the government that seeks to rob us of liberty.
rodinal220
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I was trained to fire three shots with my AR15 and quickly re-access and fire three more if the threat needed more.You are dealing with irrational and delusional people on this issue.
Also for training,new shooters can concentrate on shooting rather than on reloading.
Also for training,new shooters can concentrate on shooting rather than on reloading.
Chris-bob
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You don't buy because you need, you buy because you can. It's our right.
justice06rr
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Why do we need 30-rd mags?
Because they're easier to use than belt-fed ammo
Why does someone need a 3000square-ft home, or a V12 vehicle? Well this is America, the land of the free!
It is NOT about need, its about having the freedom to do what you can and exercising that freedom. If you want to live in a mansion, or have a 60rd mag, or drive a 200mph car, you are free to do so. There is no justification needed.
Everything else is paranoia and prejudice...
Because they're easier to use than belt-fed ammo
Why does someone need a 3000square-ft home, or a V12 vehicle? Well this is America, the land of the free!
It is NOT about need, its about having the freedom to do what you can and exercising that freedom. If you want to live in a mansion, or have a 60rd mag, or drive a 200mph car, you are free to do so. There is no justification needed.
Everything else is paranoia and prejudice...
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Because Slavery Sucks
Might as well ask, "Why does one need Free Will, Freedom or Liberty?"
Security is a Utopian Dream. Liberty, worth fighting and possibly dying for. For some. Others will fall to their knees, licking the hands of those who chain them, thankful for sparing their lives another day. (obvious paraphrasing of Sammy Adams)
disclaimer, I too prefer the old 20 rd magazines, but that is beside the point.
I may not agree with your owning and loading up 30 rounders, but will defend to the death your right to do so. (again, obvious paraphrase of old Voltaire)
Sounds like a NEW America is here kids. Two Legs Bad, Four Legs Good! Chicago Rules For All.
Might as well ask, "Why does one need Free Will, Freedom or Liberty?"
Security is a Utopian Dream. Liberty, worth fighting and possibly dying for. For some. Others will fall to their knees, licking the hands of those who chain them, thankful for sparing their lives another day. (obvious paraphrasing of Sammy Adams)
disclaimer, I too prefer the old 20 rd magazines, but that is beside the point.
I may not agree with your owning and loading up 30 rounders, but will defend to the death your right to do so. (again, obvious paraphrase of old Voltaire)
Sounds like a NEW America is here kids. Two Legs Bad, Four Legs Good! Chicago Rules For All.
I just got 2 more from a friend, a 20 and a 30 rounder, It's just a matter of logic with that gun. It was designed to hold 30, now you can get 60, and 100 if you choose, If you are shooting all day, who wants to spend half the time loading mags. You do that before you go, and shoot for an hour or two, instead of wasting the day reloading magazines.
razorbackaaron
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I like to use the swimming pool reference when answering these types of questions.
Why does one need a swimming pool. There are more kids that drown in swimming pools in the US than are killed by guns. Should we ban swimming pools too?
Furthermore, EVERY swimming pool owned in the USA, public or private, has the POTENTIAL to drown a child. The AR15 and 30 round magazines locked in my safe have a nearly ZERO% chance of killing a child.
Why does one need a swimming pool. There are more kids that drown in swimming pools in the US than are killed by guns. Should we ban swimming pools too?
Furthermore, EVERY swimming pool owned in the USA, public or private, has the POTENTIAL to drown a child. The AR15 and 30 round magazines locked in my safe have a nearly ZERO% chance of killing a child.
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Aww, but that answer makes me feel sad inside
. I want to trust my government; to feel pride in it as an extension of myself; to rely on the strength of numbers to reduce the need for my own exertion in life......
...too bad I actually paid attention in history class. The answers are always simple, if we really want them.
"Contradictions do not exist. Whenever you think you are facing a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong." -Ayn Rand
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Why do you need protection against searches without a warrant? Unless you are doing something illegal you should welcome the police in.
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boatmanschneider
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I need a 30 round magazine because,
The bullets are so darn small.
If I had a .50 I could be content with a 10 round magazine,
or even less for a 20mm.
The bullets are so darn small.
If I had a .50 I could be content with a 10 round magazine,
or even less for a 20mm.
Captain33036
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When your wife or daughter is facing two bad guys who broker into her home, how many rounds do you want her to have?
SharpsDressedMan
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Because 40 rounders are illegal here in Ohio? 30 rounders are o.k., 31 and larger are not..........
30 rounders are o.k., 31 and larger are not..........jcwit
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Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Ya Sure!
This has always worked out well in the past, NO?
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