Why Does NJ have repressive gun laws?

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New York City I can understand since it's densely populated, a big city where most people who live there probably have other hobbys besides Hunting let's say and don't care/would rather not risk having a criminal element with readily available firearms, and not to mention it's mini army of a police force.

When ever I go to NJ -- which I admit is seldom and no offense -- but intentional -- it's like I'm driving out to the country as soon as I go over the bridge.
 
It's a number of socio-economical and political reasons have lead NJ to this. NJ may feel like you are out in the country, but it is in fact the most densely populated state in the country. Another fun fact is that it has no city/town with a population over 120,000. NJ essentially aims to be the suburb of NYC and Philadelphia. In doing so, it caters to those very anti gun two cities.
 
Most densely populated state, yes. But, NJ has a long history dating back to the early 1700's of Laws and Law makers. It has historically been a state under rule either by the King back then or politicians of today and yes corruption is no stranger here in government.

To put it simply.......it's a mess.
 
OH...no's .......a hole in front of a bullet is a felony per bullet....

NY, where I live is bad..but NJ is ridiculous....

But, then you do get 15 rounders....

ahhh...ok...it's a draw.
 
The decisions that you made yesterday, created the person you are today.

There's no difference in a state or nation IMO; you get what you ask for.

No offense.:)
 
NJ has strict gun laws because you elect politicians who enact strict gun laws.
 
NJ essentially aims to be the suburb of NYC and Philadelphia.

This is exactly correct. Its politics are dominated by the philosophies of Philadelphia and New York City.

As New York City and to some extent Philadelphia went through gentrification, becoming too expensive for much of the social classes it was once known for, they primarily moved to New Jersey.
Where there was a lot of industrial work.

Many of the middle and upper class residents from the cities also choose to get a home in a suburb of Jersey.
I would say half the people in New York City who decide they want to get a nice normal house and raise a family rather than live in a NYC apartment head to Jersey to accomplish that. (As the houses in NYC are limited and very expensive.)

New Jersey is more closely culturally associated with New York City and Philadelphia than most of New York state or Pennsylvania is associated with either city.

No big expensive city can live in a vacuum without industry and labor forces. Yet through gentrification the cities became too expensive for most of the labor they need to run. With a desire to be "cleaned up" they killed off most of their industry.
Most of this industry relocated to Jersey, and as a result much of the crime did as well.
The home for everything the cities don't want? Jersey. Whenever you hear a Phily or NYC mayor say they cleaned up crime or something else in the city? It just was pushed into Jersey.
Since much of the population of Jersey is connected to one of the two cities, the philosophical and political veiws of those cities dominate.


With nearly 20% foreign born immigrants, and lot of industrial work, and a street culture like New York City from decades ago, Jersey is what NYC was known as last century. Where New York City and Philadelphia have become too expensive for most of the labor forces that once made up its diversity Jersey has swelled with their ranks.
So Jersey swelled with the ranks of most of the portions of City society responsible for crime when those lower income individuals were forced to move from gentrification.
It also has tremendous population density.
For containing most of the labor forces of the big cities it also has a very high median income and a lot of middle class and upper middle class commuters.
Which tells you there is some very clear class differences living in close proximity.
My experience is when you put a lot of relatively wealthy people next to poor people, and throw in some cultural diversity, you end up with gun control laws and a permit system which favor arming and protecting the former over the latter, or at least hiring more LEO and security for the former, and disarming the later.
Money is after all what drives political power. So those with the money make the system favor them.


So you have a number of related influences that are going to greatly contribute to an anti-gun mentality in Jersey.
 
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Hoboken is not the country but nevertheless is as densely packed as some other free American cities like Miami. You're telling me they have firearms laws like that because of a bunch of drunk frat boys in Hoboken? And in all fairness you don't get to Hoboken by bridge. I even took a train to the airport in dirty Jers and thought that same thing (big country).

Nassau county Long Island also a New York suburb where I could have walked into a store and walked out with an AR 15 and pre-ban 30 round magazine. The only thing is that stock had to be pinned (big deal).
 
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New Jersey is the way that it is for precisely the reason that Illinois and Chicago are the way they are. The majority of the people either like it that way or don't care.
 
Laws are made the same way regardless of where you live. People who are in a position to make laws are only there because a majority of people VOTED for them.
 
I used to live in NJ and the answer is because all the people that get voted into office are far-left liberal Democrats who all hate guns .

also a large segment of the politicians come from violent areas ( Trenton , Camden, Newark ) where these anti-gun attitudes have wide support

also the police in NJ don't seem to know much about firearms . and make up their own interpretation of the law as they go along .
 
Another fun fact is that it has no city/town with a population over 120,000.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Jersey#Large_cities_.28100.2C000_or_greater.29

Large cities (100,000 or greater)

For its overall population and nation-leading density, New Jersey has a relative paucity of classic large cities. As of the United States 2000 Census, only four municipalities had populations in excess of 100,000. With the 2004 Census estimate, Woodbridge briefly surpassed Edison in population, as both joined the 100,000 club. The 2006 Census estimate states that both Edison and Woodbridge Township have dropped below the 100,000 mark (with Edison surpassing Woodbridge).

Newark, Essex County: 273,546 (Census Estimate 2006: 281,402)
Jersey City, Hudson County: 240,055 (Census Estimate 2006: 241,791)
Paterson, Passaic County: 149,222 (Census Estimate 2006: 148,708)
Elizabeth, Union County: 120,568 (Census Estimate 2006: 126,179)
Edison, Middlesex County 97,687 (Census Estimate 2006: 99,523)
Woodbridge Township, Middlesex County: 97,203 (Census Estimate 2006: 99,208)
 
New York City I can understand since it's densely populated, a big city where most people who live there probably have other hobbys besides Hunting let's say and don't care/would rather not risk having a criminal element with readily available firearms, and not to mention it's mini army of a police force.

NJ has the HIGHEST population density of any state or country, including India, of anywhere else in the world. Look at the area around NYC and Philadelphia for that

and don't forget, folks keep re-electing your current governmant
 
A state run by the mob has to protect the mob from both opposition and competition. Like any other corrupt government, the mob wants to make sure they have the guns.

Jim
 
Quite often a non "gun grabber" isn't on the ballot. And when they are, they are not popular enough to get the majority..

Sometimes, you vote for an "obvious non gun grabber" and they turn out to be a disappointment. Like when the 50 BMG ban went through in CA.

:(
 
Quite often a non "gun grabber" isn't on the ballot. And when they are, they are not popular enough to get the majority.

Well, that is exactly the issue at hand. NJ has strict gun laws because the staunch gun control supporters are the ones with support.

I'm not from NJ but if there are any shooting associations/organizations and the like, they could try to gather support and apply political pressure. Without will, nothing will happen. You can sit back and complain about it... or take action.
 
Without will, nothing will happen.
Precisely.

I've got a friend who used to live in Ohio. He's originally from Canada and swore up and down that Ohio would never have CCW. He had subconsciously adopted the defeatist mentality which GUARANTEES failure. Some of us managed to draw this friend out of his defeatist mindset long enough to go to a counter-demonstration against those fighting CCW in Ohio. The organizer of the anti-CCW demonstration and her handful of lackeys were VASTLY outnumbered by pro-CCW demonstrators and were publicly humiliated when the media practically trampled her to death running to interview John Lott, who made a surprise appearance at THEIR event. Ohio of course now has CCW.

Those who prepare for failure invariably achieve it.
 
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I used to live in NJ and the answer is because all the people that get voted into office are far-left liberal Democrats who all hate guns .

also a large segment of the politicians come from violent areas ( Trenton , Camden, Newark ) where these anti-gun attitudes have wide support

also the police in NJ don't seem to know much about firearms . and make up their own interpretation of the law as they go along .

DING DING DING! If I could add to that it's that people are entirely ignorant about guns, get fed false information and next thing you know never get to experience guns, don't understand them and are scare s***less of them as a consequence so they become Anti-gun without ever knowing a thing. When someone who's anti-gun tries to corner me in an argument all I say is, "I respect your stance on guns, hell I'll even give you reasons to not like guns. But if you're going to talk to me about guns know what you're talking about, do your research, THEN get back to me with your argument. In the mean time this conversation's over."
 
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