Why does the Midwest have such bad CCW laws?

[Hal]

100 years of BS propaganda and high wages are hard for a lot of people to see through to know what is really going on in the world.

Bingo! ( @ least as far as Ohio goes)

I'm uttlerly amazed at the sheer number of people I know personally that are convinced US Steel will return to Lorain Ohio, the rubber companies will return here to Akron Ohio and J&L Steel will come back to life.

These people live in a fantasy world so far removed from reality is scarry. I interviewed a job candidate in 1987 that was a "chip sweeper" for Firestone for 30 years before Firestone pulled out of town. Under the "expected salary" part of the application, he put down (IIRC) something like $25.00 an hour. He was qualified for exactly zero positions we had. Nada. Zip. Zilch. He was appaled at the fact that there was no union to "protect him" and "protect his earnings". It was really sad. Here was a man n his early 50's, that had done nothing for 30 years but push a broom and sweep up rubber chips from around machinery. He honestly believed that @ $25 per hour he was a poor working man.
FWIW, he left in kind of a huff when the store manager offered him a position as a front end loader (the guy that helps put stuff in you vehicle at a Home Improvement Store) @ $4.70 an hour.

 

[flatrock]

Ohio is the land of the RINO. The Republican party here has no sense of fiscal responsibility, and no apparent desire to preserve or defend the rights of individuals. Why do we keep electing these idiots? Because the Democratic party is even worse, and there just aren't viable 3rd party choices.

There have been some efforts here to support what I consider the real Republicans in the party and push the RINOs out of control, but they haven't been very successful.

Our new CCW law has caused a significant number of people who ignored politics to take notice of how messed up our legislature is, and how little they respect the citizens they are supposed to represent. Is it enough people to effect a change? I don't know, but it's a step in the right direction.

 

[jacketch]

I VERY MUCH begrudge the unions for not allowing the membership to determine where their dues money is spent in politics, everyone has a voice and value until it comes to politics and that burns me up. That is my only serious heartburn with unions.

I have worked on the other side of the fence, dealing with the union reps from a company management position. If the pro-2nd amendment union guys knew how many times the union reps sold them down the river for personal gain, they would realize why the unions don't want them carrying. The union rank and file think the unions are protecting them from the evil management and they don't know that the union reps are sometimes worse.

Your point about union dues is all too true.

 

[Mr. Kook]

Just thought I'd chime in.

Kansas isn't as bad as it is being made out to be.

We are just way behind the curve on CCW.

It was stated earlier in this thread that over half of our house and senate are antis. Earlier this year when CCW was sent to Governor Sebelius's desk it had a veto proof majority in the senate and fell only six votes short of a veto proof majority in the house. Our CCW law failed only because our Governor (the better of two evils at the time) is an anti.

Kansas will have concealed carry, probably within one to two years. We are not a silent majority. We are a very vocal majority. The temperment of our state is changing.

However, we are quite schizophrenic. The last CCW bill was sponsored by a Democrat from the KC area. A few years back CCW was vetoed by a republican governor.

 

[NRA4LIFE]

Democrats

 

[ponyexpress]

Having lived in the midwest my entire life I've thought about this on and off and I think it's much simpler than that. The reason people want CCW is so that they can defend themselves. In the midwest the crime rates are lower than the coasts so there is a lower perceived need to have the ability to defend ones self. I know there are areas that are the exception to this but they are just that, exceptions.

In addition, being largely rural, in the past if you felt the need to have a gun to defend yourself you just carried it openly. Missouri still has a law on the books that allows you to carry open unless it is specifically banned by the local municipality.

However, as the midwest population is shifting to urban areas I think you will see this change.

 

[LoneStranger]

Also remember that in a lot of the Midwest you have the same situation that prevailed in the South. If you weren't on the local oppressed minority list, pick it any way you want it, and you were caught with a concealed weapon that was as far as it would go. Nobody would proscecute you.

What has happened is that more and more the local LEO will arrest you and you will be proscecuted. So now the chains are starting to chafe and more people are realizing it.

 

[molonlabe]

In Wisconsin where I used to live, my wife and I were surprised to see the small towns that had 4th of July parades and people flying the flag. Until of course we found how liberal the state actually was. The people who live in rural areas have traditional conservative and patriotic values but for the most part the state was overwhelmingly liberal. Remember UW Madison was the site of Weathermen bombing (Mathematics building) in the 60's.

Most of the population and therefore political control is concentrated in the cities. Remember it went to Gore in the last election and is for the most part a Democrat stronghold. I can't speak for the rest of the states but it narrowly shot down CCW this year.