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Why guns must be outlawed

Discussion in 'Legal' started by progunner1957, Jun 12, 2006.

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  1. progunner1957

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    The experts at the Brady Campaign, Million Mom March, Americans for Gun Safety and the United Nations are in unanimous agreement that all guns must be outlawed and removed from the possession of citizens in the United States. Here are several of their reasons as to why this must be done.



    1: The more helpless you are, the safer you are from criminals.

    2: An intruder will be incapacitated by tear gas or oven spray, but if shot with a .357 magnum will become outraged and kill you.

    3: A woman raped and strangled is morally superior to a woman with a smoking gun and a dead rapist at her feet.

    4: The Second Amendment, ratified in 1787, refers to the National Guard, which did not exist until 130 years later, having been formed in 1917.

    5: The phrases “Right of the people to peaceably assemble,” “ right of the people to be secure in their homes,” “enumerations herein of certain rights shall not be construed to disparage others retained by the people,” and “the powers not delegated herein are reserved to the states respectively, and to the people” all refer to individuals. However, “The right of the people to keep and bear arms” refers to the state.

    6: Rifles and handguns aren’t necessary for national defense. This explains why the U.S. armed forces have tens of millions of them.

    7: Private citizens shouldn’t have handguns because they are not “military weapons.” Also, private citizens shouldn’t have “assault rifles” because they are military weapons.

    8: A handgun, with up to four controls, is far too complex for the typical adult to use, as compared to an automobile that has up to 20 controls.

    9: Guns cause violence, which is why there are so many mass killings at gun shows.

    10: A majority of the population supports gun control, just as a majority of the population supported owning slaves.

    11: Most people can’t be trusted so we should have laws against guns, which all criminals will obey because they can be trusted.

    12: The right of internet pornographers to operate cannot be questioned because it is constitutionally protected by the Bill of Rights, but the use of handguns for self-defense is not really protected by the Bill of Rights.

    13: Police officers operate with backup in large groups, which is why they need large capacity pistol magazines, as opposed to “civilians” who must face criminals alone and therefore need less ammunition.

    14: We should ban “Saturday Night Specials” and all other inexpensive handguns because it isn’t fair that poor people have access to self-defense guns too.

    15: Private citizens do not need a gun for self-protection because the police are there to protect them, even though the Supreme Court says the police are not responsible for their protection.

    16: Citizens do not need to carry guns for personal protection, but police chiefs, who are desk bound administrators who work in a building filled with armed police, do need to carry a gun.

    17: “Assault weapons” have no purpose other than to kill large numbers of people quickly. The police need “assault weapons;” you do not.

    18: Trigger locks do not interfere with the ability to use a gun for defensive purposes. This is why you see police officers with them on their duty weapons.

    19: Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) thinks that a concealed carry permit will not help prevent personal crime. That's why she has one.


    Source: Soldier of Fortune magazine, Dec. 2004, pp. 14-17, 75.
     
  2. Prof. A. Wickwire

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    progunner1957,

    Fantastic! If I was in the mood for a family fight, I would send this itemization to my mother.

    Sincerely,

    Prof. A. Wickwire
     
  3. TheArchDuke

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    I love that list. I thought there were forty of them though.

    One said something along the lines of "handguns are far too complicated to figure out in a life or death situation and so simple that children can use them"

    something like that.


    Great stuff though
     
  4. progunner1957

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    There are something like 40 - I picked out my favorites to pass along. Sad thing is, I actually know people who think like that - ah, The Sheeple...:barf:
     
  5. TheArchDuke

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    Well thanks for posting!
     
  6. leadcounsel

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    Has anyone sent this to the brady campaign? It's fantastic in its simplicity at how stupid their arguments are.
     
  7. dch1978

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    Where can I find information that Feinstein has a carry permit?

    I know this taken as common knowledge around these parts but I have not been able to indepently verify the information for myself.

    Any help would be appreciated.

    DCH
     
  8. Spiphel Rike

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    You left out the one about reloading? why?

    The original list of 40 was great, I annoyed the hell out of people with those.
     
  9. Roadwild17

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    Some please tell me this is a joke, like seriously, I'm reading this to my partially anti-gun girlfriend and shes even laughing.
     
  10. The_Shootist

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    Just don't...

    ...give them the source..."Soldier of Fortune"? Slight bias in its op-ed, perhaps? :D
     
  11. Carl

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    Nice!

    #11 is my favorite.
     
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    All of the above are untrue and stupid,to say the least.A rapist will rape and might kill a woman-anyway,so that rules that out.In saying this I have read about rapists,who were killed by inmates in British jails-because other cons,hated their crimes and the rapists-calling them scum and nonces.

    Most handuns are easy to use,as told by countless persons-but can be difficult to to fire at targets accurately.That is why civillians and military persons practise at the range-and also to zero the sights as well. A handgun is easy to use,when shown how to,but takes practise-to score accurate hits.

    Guns cause violence in the wrong hands of a stupid,irresponsible,moronic whacko-but not in the hands of a responsible person.

    As for shooting an intruder with a .357 magnum,well I think that the intruder would be more than incapacitated-they would either be seriously injured or even dead.Why do they think that Hollywood and the video-games industries,portray the .357,.44s and .50AEs as powerful bullets,that will kill most things?

    The more helpless you are,the more likely you will become a target for criminals.You become "easy game",for them.They would watch you,like a pack of wolves,watching a lamb-on its own.
     
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    [Whats class got to do with it? In the UK both mass-murderers lived in middle-class,upper-working class districts and owned expensive weapons.Can't poor people save up their money, or can they not?

    Iv'e known a Royal Mail man,to have saved up for several years,to buy a Rolex watch.Crazy people exist in all social classes.
     
  14. LadySmith

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    Sterling180,
    It seems you're unaware that the article is strictly satire. It's point is to show the often twisted and hypocritical thought processes of those who would like to ban guns in the USA.
     
  15. Kentak

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    Sterling180--

    You do know this is satire, right?

    K
     
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    More Amazing Beliefs

    There's much more, here and here. Some of my favorites:

    AMAZING BELIEFS:

    That the proper response to an attack is to call the police, but only unarmed police, because "Violence never settles anything."

    That it’s wrong to make snide, sexist comments about women, unless the comments are about women who own guns.

    That a hijacker could easily take a gun away from a pilot, but the hundreds of passengers aboard would then be unable to take the gun away from the hijacker.

    That if there’d been a gun aboard American Airlines Flight 93, someone could have been hurt.

    That the lack of mention of guns in wills in colonial American cities proves that most Americans didn’t own them, just as the lack of mention of outhouses proves that most people squatted in the yard.

    That NASA, the military, physiologists, anatomists and trainers all agree and Olympic scores confirm that men on average have tremendously more upper body strength than women, but women should try to defend themselves with martial arts and not a gun.

    That rather than spend a few hundred dollars on a firearm and an afternoon learning how to use it, one should instead spend thousands of dollars and several years learning a martial art, so you’ll be well-prepared to fight anyone, as long as they’re in your gender division and weight class.

    That an actor from Hollywood who points a gun at friend and foe without discrimination, who keeps the finger on the trigger with no target, who fires a handgun on its side, who fires two guns akimbo, who tries to shoot a single-action pistol with a lowered hammer, and who fires 60 shots from a 30-round magazine, should be taken as an expert on the subject.

    That a punk wakes up one morning, and thinks, "Gee, instead of robbing, raping, sodomizing and killing a young woman, why don’t I turn my $400 gun in for $20 and a pizza and go work at McDonald's?"

    That one should consult an automotive engineer for safer seatbelts, a civil engineer for a better bridge, a neurosurgeon for spinal paralysis, a computer programmer for Y2K problems, and Sarah Brady for firearms expertise.


    Read 'em all. Good stuff. :D
     
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    Should add something about Rosie o'Donnel's million mom march. That she has ARMED bodyguards for her kids.
     
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    Opps,okay,so it's satirical,but it is similar to the UK GCNs points about gun ownership-and I am not kidding either.Some of the points made are similar to what goes on, in the minds of the antis in the UK.That is why I couldn't tell the difference,at first-but I can now.

    I guess that I didn't read it carefully-I can usually spot satires,easily enough-because we in the UK,have and still make enough satirical comedy shows,that mock, current affairs.This piece is funny enough.
     
  19. progunner1957

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    The power brokers behind the gun ban movement are not stupid - they know exactly what they are doing.

    As for their simpleminded, Pollyanna followers -also known as "The Sheeple"- the tortured logic, denial and outright stupidity they employ to (attempt to) justify their beliefs knows no bounds.

    Simplemindedness, gullibility and stupidity are not conducive to personal freedom.

    Sterling180, you have my sympathy regarding the situation in the UK. I hope you and your fellow citizens are somehow able to regain your right to arms some day. If not, the American shooting community would welcome you here with open arms.
     
  20. Carl N. Brown

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    Uh, that article was satire? It was not copied from Brady Campaign
    or IANSA? It was not a transcript of a recording of Rebecca Peters
    singing in the shower? Could'a fooled me too.

    It is true that disgraced historian Michael Bellesiles found only seven
    percent of Colonial wills listed guns, while few historians have found
    outhouses listed in Colonial wills; however, several historians who
    examined Bellesiles' sources found that they actually showed an average
    of 75% listing firearms; 25% listed clothing. Yes, boys and girls, at least
    50% of Colonial Americans were gun toting nudists.
     
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    Bah, I just knew I was living in the wrong era!
     
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    I've seen the list and love it. It really astounds me that some people actually believe that banning guns will somehow end all the violence in the world and bring all people together to sing a chorus of Koom-by-ya. :banghead:
     
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    I know how you feel Sterling. I live in California where most of those points have been made into laws. Even though the list is satirical, sometimes I didn't know whether to laugh or cry. :mad:
     
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    There's plenty of Americans that miss Benny Hill. :(

    A few of us were just talking about him the other day. Apparently there's a wax figure of him in Madam Tuassad's (sp?) in Amsterdam. :D

    Funny stuff, makes me want to turn all my guns in given the rational reasoning presented. Where do I go? :rolleyes:
     
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