Why KAHR handguns are 'better' than a Glock in many ways

[The Lone Haranguer]

Originally posted by Colt:
... but none had such a good balance of size/power/accuracy as the PM9.

Agreed. There is just nothing else quite like it on the market today.

Originally posted by RNB65:
The top left corner of the backstrap rubs a serious blister next to the thumb knuckle and can take the skin right off.

Oddly, my E9 (a discontinued "economy" version of the K9) does that if I use a straight-thumbs grip (which puts my hand higher), but my PM9 does not.

One thing the PM (and other Kahrs) could use is having the sharp corners of that slide stop rounded off.

 

[Charles S]

First let me say that I think that the Glock 23 might be the best balance of power, concealability, reliability and durability ever conceived.

However, for carry, give me a Khar.

The top left corner of the backstrap rubs a serious blister next to the thumb knuckle and can take the skin right off.

I shot my Khar K9 in a tactical handgun course in which I shot about 2000 rounds over a week. The gun was flawless, accurate, and I love it.

I will say I had trouble with my right hand for the next several days. I had a blister on the web of my hand and at the base of my thumb, my hand was also very sore (I might just be a wimp). I believed I should shoot what I carry and I have no regrets, but I must say it is much more comfortable to shoot a large gun for a 5 day handgun course.

I really do like the Khar ergonomics, size, thickness, reliability, y, and accuracy. Great guns.

 

[full metal]

had a khar good shooter hated the long trigger pull on it i could not get over that loooong trigger pull every time i had to get rid of it.

 

[.cheese.]

I used to think the same as the OP, until my PM9 turned into a nightmare after 1000 rounds. Then the customer service was a problem, their service department was a problem, their gunsmiths were a problem, and everything was just a problem..... Say what you want about Glock, but I've never had a gun go back out of my 5 Glocks.

 

[.cheese.]

glockarmourer40517 - my understanding is that the frames are made in the US largely, but all slides are still made in Austria, hence why every single one still says "Made in Austria"

 

[MEH]

How would you guys say the Kahr K9 compares to the HK P7 in reliability and durability?

EDIT: I know this is Kahr vs Glock but I just looked at the P7 and K9 at a gun show and didn't really feel like starting a new thread.

 

[VARifleman]

Glock cannot import smaller guns due to GCA 1968.

As I recall, the GCA adresses a number of issues with design, but on size, it addresses length and height, but not width which is the complaint with glocks. It also adresses weight, although that can be added as needbe.

 

[Texshooter]

Glocks feel too fat in my hand, and yet the Kahr (in Polymer) feels too small.

I still like certain things about both, but at this moment the Kahr price tag is a little much for me.

 

[glockarmourer40517]

QUOTE:
glockarmourer40517 - my understanding is that the frames are made in the US largely, but all slides are still made in Austria, hence why every single one still says "Made in Austria"


Nope........... G17s and another model ( i forget which) doesnt say "made in austria" on it..... despite the fact that the slide and internal parts still are.

the frame is the only part that is the GUN at any rate....any 10 year old can order a slide and all parts minus the frame from anywhere..

although glock stoped that, .... the "glockmeister" got in trouble with the ATF and glock for selling glock frames and parts (legally of course).

the ATF jumped his stuff for selling "do it yourself glock pieces-parts"

which is stupid, everyone on earth does the same for 1911 parts......glocks shouldnt be any different. the ATF is clueless.

Mr. gaston is saving $$$ by installing an injection machine in GA instead of importing the guns from austria.. not to mention making his mark for the next military gun, which is likely.

Yes, my KAHR used to bite the bottom of my thumb, rubed the skin off it at the knuckle.

dremmel tool fixed that problem

 

[[email protected]]

I own two K-9s and I love them. I have owned the plastic kahrs and I hated them. They are not in the same class as the all steel guns.

Glocks are good but they are so fat that I won't carry one. If maybe someone at Glock would pull their head out of their butt and make a single stack that was actually compact, they would put Kahr out of business as well as a bunch of other makers.

 

[Johannes_Paulsen]

Take a look at Milt Sparks IWB holsters. They are superb. I carry my P9 in a Milt Sparks Heritage holster. The only downsides are the cost $100+ and the current wait time is at least 6 months.

RNB65,

Ouch, that's a little more than I was hoping to spend. Actually, I'm not that interested in IWB. I got the MK9 because of its concealability, and my job/lifestyle will probably not allow me to make many wardrobe adjustments to carry IWB. So it will likely be pocket carry for the most part, with OWB for those times when I can get away with wearing a coat. I just got my concealed-carry license approved, too, so starting on Monday I'll be able to carry. I picked up a cheap Uncle Mike's OWB holster just so I can carry if I want, but I'm definitely looking for suggestions on good pocket and OWB holsters for the Kahr.

BTW, no one seems to like the "wallet" pocket holster sold on the Kahr website (http://www.kahrshop.com/cgi-bin/itemdetail.asp?itmid=32)? I've talked to a couple of people who gave negative feedback--anyone have a good experience with this one?

And, for OWB, does anyone have experience with carrying Kahrs in Fobus holsters?

Thanks in advance.

 

[RNB65]

I use a Fist kydex pocket holster to pocket carry my P9. It's very well made, weighs practically nothing, and works equally well with everything from dress pants to Dockers to blue jeans. The gun just disappears into the pocket. And it only costs 1/3 what the Milt Sparks holster cost.

http://www.fist-inc.com/holsters/k1/k5.htm

 

[orionengnr]

I've owned 2 Kahrs.
PM9 stainless, with white dots. Shot fine out of the box, but it was subject to a recall, so I sent it in. Took forever to get back. (6+ weeks is forever to me) Shot fine when it came back, but Kahr's handling of the recall left a bad taste in my mouth, and I didn't want a company with such poor customer service for my carry gun. I sold it a few weeks later.
I tried a few other carry guns over the next 18 months, but none had such a good balance of size/power/accuracy as the PM9. After hearing that customer service had improved (from various sources) I ended up buying another PM9 with black matte finish and night sights. Shot fine right out of the box, not subject to any recalls. I've been carrying it since.
The accuracy of the PM9 is unbelievable.

Now that is funny, because I bought it from him.
I've had it ever since, and it is less than 12" from me as I type this.

The Glocks I once owned are long gone, the S&W j-frames I owned are long gone, but the PM9 sits close by my side. There are a lot of reasons for that.

It is the size of a j-frame (much smaller/lighter than a Glock).
It shoots better than either (in my hands at least).
It has been stone reliable.
It carries and conceals in a pocket, which a Glock cannot, and a j-frame can...barely.

It's big brother, the P45 is my winter buddy.

For holsters, check with Nate at UBG holsters. He makes a very nice IWB alternative to the Milt Sparks VMII (at slightly more than 1/2 price). I ordered one of each in late January. Received the UBG holster in February. Still waiting on the Milt Sparks holster...

Want pics? PM me.

 

[glockman19]

As my governor Arnold an Austrian would say, "you must have the hands of a girley man", if the glock is to big for your grip.

I prefer the simplicity and reliability of the J-frame over a pocket carry auto not to mention a great lifetime warranty and smooth trigger. And as far as the sub compact Glocks I'll take them over a Kahr. Ever try to fire the Kahr from your jacket pocket? I'd rather not risk the jam of an auto and shoot the hammerless 442/642/340/640.

MEH, Yes I like the KH's too

 

[innerpiece]

my Kahr is great, in all ways.. and flawless!
Great trigger, accurate, reliable, and I work good with it.

glocks and kahrs are like apples n oranges imo.


ip.

 

[glockarmourer40517]

youre right, glocks and kahrs are generally 'apples and oranges'

i should have said "kahrs better than packing a 'compact' glock ", ..such as a G26 or the G36 (which is a lemon).


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How would you guys say the Kahr K9 compares to the HK P7 in reliability and durability?<<<


............ive owned 3 P7M8's.... despite being stupid-expensive....ive had several jams out of my P7M8s....besides, its not made anymore......parts were stupid expensive......

and worse still, the gas piston made the upper part of the trigger guard hot as hell after 40 shots.....hot AS HELL.

everyone praised the P7 for its "great accuracy", but its not that spectacular....i got better accuracy out my Kahr than out of my (former) P7M8 HK.

in the micro size gun Dept. the MK9 and MK40 are unmatched by anything else out there........well, really, there is nothing else out there that size....so.