Why kill snakes?

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It's kind of funny reading snake threads on shooting forums. It quickly becomes apparent that many of us see snakes the same way that others see guns.

Snakes can kill or injure so snakes must be destroyed.

Guns can kill or injure so guns must be abolished.

snakes = guns

At least I find it amusing. :)

When I was much younger I used to kill every snake I saw. Anymore, if it leaves me alone, I'll leave it alone if I'm in its neighborhood. I'll probably dispatch a venomous snake if I find it in my suburban yard though.
 
Don't see a point. Wear hip boots or waiters if going through the water anyways. Get a snake pole to catch and release them. Cheaper than snake shot around the house.
 
I am going to invent and market a new firearm specifically made to dispatch poisonous spiders...

What's wrong with what we have already? 12ga, 20ga, .410 :D

I don't mess with snakes very often. I've been around them my whole life. It's hot and humid here so they're everywhere. When I'm hunting I take a stick and flip them out of the way. My cousin has been bitten by a rattlesnake and I've been bitten by a Cottonmouth, although it was my own fault. I've only truly felt threatened once where I though that I needed to take some course of action to prevent a bite. I straddled an elephant ear on a hunting trip in a swamp once and about the time I was directly over it I saw a small copperhead coiled up in the base. I couldn't swing my shotgun to that angle to shoot, it was WAY too close, so a friend had to do it. I'm not sure which was scarier, the snake or the 12ga being shot between my legs, but I did feel that I was danger and it might be okay to go ahead shoot it.

I personally think that it's a marketing scheme.
 
Hey, I read Dittmars over sixty years ago. Okay, fine, some snakes are neat. I'd never be interested in killing any poisonous snake--if it's in a zoo.

A poisonous snake around the house? Ruint. Out in the boonies? Why bother?

Non--poisonous? Basically, harmless. So, I go my way, they go theirs.
 
My daughter was bitten on her ankle by a copperhead in our neighbor's yard while walking back to our house one evening. I have killed several copperheads in our yard, even one in our roof gutter. Also killed several large western diamondback rattlesnakes under the bird feeder. No dangerous snake in my yard gets a pass. Bullsnakes and racers and the like I let alone but no rattlers or copperheads.
 
Art pretty much summed it up for me.

Having grown up in the country, I was used to seeing snakes. As a kid, I killed them on sight...even had the "pleasure" to be bitten by a copperhead as an 18 year old. Not the snakes fault... As I grew older, I chilled out about snakes....just give them wide berth and let them go.

Then about 6 or 7 years ago my wife and I bought a piece of property not 15 or so miles from where I grew up. My gosh I didn't know there were that many rattlesnakes in the county much less on and around my property!!! The first 4 or 5 years I'd average killing 7 to 8 rattlers every spring and summer. (Oh, and I never, ever kill non-poisonous snakes.) It's to the point that my wife doesn't even go for walks without strapping on a .22 revolver....and she AIN'T no gun nut! I've killed so many of the silly things I can even tell which .22 shot loads work and which don't!
A couple of years ago I was down at the barn and turned a water trough over to find this:
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That'd be momma and 17 young 'uns. The .22 revolver I carry only holds 9 shells, so a mesquite limb was put to good use on the remainder.

Honestly, I cringe every time kill a rattlesnake. But everytime I think about letting one go, I think about this:
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She just started walking and by this summer, she'll be following me around in the garden, piddling in the shop with me, etc. I couldn't live with myself if she were to be bitten and I had let one go.

And speaking of aggressive/non-aggressive snakes.....
Until we moved out here, I didn't know we had two species of rattlesnakes. I always knew about the infamous western diamondback, but there also exists another known as the massasauga rattlesnake.
Since we've lived out here, I've encountered both dozens and dozens of times and there's a HUGE difference in their behavior. The diamondback, given the slightest opportunity will ALWAYS try to flee. The massasauga or "ground rattler" as they're called by the locals, are EXACTLY the opposite. They will not budge. They coil up, rattle and wait for the danger to get close enough for a strike opportunity. Problem is they're much smaller than diamondbacks and most of the time, I don't even hear them rattling.
We lost a fine Border Collie pup to a rattler, my bird dog has been bitten twice, and another mutt once. Last summer at a lake not too far from here, a two year old child was playing on a slide and was bitten by a rattler. She was care-flighted to a DFW area hospital but died from the bite. Really sad.

Anyhow, when I'm away from here, hunting or tromping about, I never bother snakes...I figure I'm in their territory. But around my house is my territory and I feel it my responsibility to protect my family. Especially the little ones who don't understand to watch for snakes. I really think to understand just how dangerous they can be, you have live amongst 'em!
Just my 2¢.....
35W
 
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I'll start by saying this:
arsenic is poisonous, snakes are venomous. Neither is dangerous if given the respect it deserves.
I'm a member of the Louisiana Gulf Coast Herpetological Society, and have been actively photographing, capturing and keeping all forms of native herpetofauna for about 30 years.
YES, there are copperheads, rattlesnakes and water moccasins that will go out of their way to bite you if you are close, but I wouldn't say "persue" you to do it.
More harmless (helpful) cornsnakes, ratsnakes, kingsnakes, racers, watersnakes get "dispatched" around here for being misidentified as copperheads and cottonmouths than I care to imagine.
If snakes concern you, you'd be much better served by familiarizing yourself with how to positively identify the venomous species in your area and the reasons to let the harmless ones be.
Google it.

I told you that to tell you this: I've no use for a .410 revolver. :rolleyes:
 
I've killed exactly one snake in my life.

It was a coral snake. It was in a friend's garage, right by the back door.

I used a shovel. DRT. :D

I've been hiking with my daughter and come across large desert rattlesnakes, and left them be. The only people I know who get bit around here go putting their hands where they ought not - near the sharp end of the rattlers.

I have no use for a .410 revolver, either. If I'm bird hunting, I've no use for shotshells in my revolver, period - I've got the king of rattlesnake killing shot loads right there in the side-by-side, if for some reason there's a snake that just can't be left alone. If I'm hiking w/o the shotgun, sure, I'll take a couple of shot loads - but, like I said, I've never used one on a snake. Just no point, most of the time. If/when there is, sure, I'll probably do it. But most of the time, that's just not the case.
 
Rattlesnakes are common in my area, and are typically killed on sight. This is a safety issue, as there are children present, as well as livestock. Having nearly lost more than one dog, and having had to treat multiple cattle that have been snakebit, I don't have a lot of use for rattlesnakes. I was raised to kill them on sight. I have no issues with non-poisonous snakes, and will generally leave them alone. However, knowing snakebite victims.....and the distance to the nearest antivenom (a minimum of 60 miles from the ranch)...I don't take chances and, especially around the building site, will kill every rattler I can. Having located denning sights during unseasonably warm November deer hunts, we have also exercised the trapping (then killing) option. For those unaware, snakes can be trapped as they leave the den in the spring or unseasoably warm winter days. You must first locate the den (which is usually accidental, and a result of becoming aware of a LOT of snakes in a relatively small area). Then, a wooden box with a hole in the bottom covered a flap is positioned over the den, so that the hole in the trap lines up with the den's entrance. As snakes leave the den, they enter the box, and the flap closes behind them, trapping them. I've seen traps with 20-30 snakes in them at a time, ranging from those only several inches long to 4-5 footers. thiose whose hair stands up on the back of their necks whern they hear a snake's rattle risk heart attacks in such scenarios......the sounds of 30 annoyed rattlers is something one doesn't forget. Rattlesnakes--South Dakota's "dangerous game" ;)

As for the idea "snake rounds are a nolvelty that will rarely if ever be used"---I have a feeling that anyone spending much time in a south Dakota prairie dog town in midsummer will find PLENTY of use for such rounds.
 
Hey Tar Devil, come on down to Carteret County some time, I'll show you a snake that will chase you down when in your boat. I'll give you a hint. He's got cotton in his mouth ;)
 
Years ago, some scientists went to some southeast Asian country, can't remember which one. The scientists wanted cobras for venom collection. They set up a reward of a few bucks for each live cobra that the locals would catch and give to them.

The locals couldn't believe it. They were dirt poor and hated the reptiles. They ended up collecting literally thousands of cobras.

Then the rat population took off. The rats ended up destroying their rice crop. The rats did more damage then the cobras ever could. Many epidemics have been caused by rodents. Snakes help keep rodents in check. Remove one and then you get the other. I don't know of many epidemics caused by snakes.

Screw with nature, she'll screw with you.
 
For every one you kill, you can throw a rock far enough to find another just like it. Killing one particular snake isn't gonna help your family.

As long as that rock throw distance is out of my yard, I'm good with it.

killing individual snakes isn't going to eradicate the species, nor will it make life any safer around your house.

Really? Would that apply to "Land Mines"? Same argument; I can remove all land mines from my yard and not erradicate all landmines from the earth. They are not a danger to my kid unless they get stepped on either, but I still don't want them in my yard.
 
Screw with nature, she'll screw with you.

Yeppers. Best not to mess with the balance that nature has struck.

I'll give you a hint. He's got cotton in his mouth

Cottonmouths can be pretty aggressive, but...honestly...most people can't reliably identify a swimming snake as a Cottonmouth. If it's in the water, it's automatically a Water Moccasin.
Sorta like any dorsal fin that breaks the surface in the ocean is automatically assumed to belong to a shark.

Know how to tell the difference?

If it swims with only its head exposed...it's not a Cottonmouth. If the whole snake is visible on the surface of the water...it is. Cottonmouths rarely submerge, and only for an instant.
 
most people have a deep seated fear of the lousey slithering things. and are quite content to "BLOW THEM OUT OF THE WATER" if you will, for no other reason than that. many, many of us will shoot every and any snake we see, just so we never have to deal with that one again. i, personally, willl (and have) stop in the middle of a road in my vehicle, to put it in reverse to specificly run over a snake crossing the road. then make sure i finish the job by doing a "burnout" across it after running it over. when it comes to snakes, whatever it takes to make them draw theil last beath is fine by me! i am not trying to antagonize you, i just HATE the lousey things (and i HATE very few things), and so do many other folks. IMO, it is best to have the "shoot 'em all, let GOD sort them out" attitude!
 
My yard will be a snake free zone to the extent that is possible; just as it will be a fire-ant free zone, a hornet nest / wasp nest / bee hive free zone, an axe murderer free zone, a land-mine free zone, a demolition derby free zone, a toxic waist-dump free zone, etc...

I view PARENTING as having some requirement to abate overt risks to the little ones.
 
I live in the country and have been around snakes all my life. I am not afraid of them, I recognize and appreciate their place in the ecosystem.

BUT, venomous snakes will NOT be allowed around my house, shop or yard.

All other snakes are either ignored or gently relocated to the pasture.

When venomous snakes (usually Copperheads) come onto the 5 acres I have carved out, they are summarily dispatched. They have 395 other acres they can roam around on. They need to figure that out.

On average...I probably kill 3-4 a year down around my shop. My Chocolate Lab has been bitten 3 times (he just hates them), each time in our own back yard.

Last year...I was walking my Daughter's Dachshund in the front yard (right about dark) when he was bitten! I keep the property nicely mowed and neat, don't have a of lot junk laying around, etc....but STILL...the snakes travel through the area.

Sorry, but its "No more Mister Nice Guy" for venomous snakes around here.

I AM IN CHARGE ....and any snake that potentially poses a threat (in or about my immediate living area) will soon be food for the ants.

I do not condone the killing of any/every snake (based solely on fear), some folks do that. I grew up catching, handling and observing snakes. They have their place.

Someone posted that the killing of a single snake would be of no effect in the scheme of things. As concerns eradication... that would be true, BUT the removal of a single snake might very well be the difference between a pet or person being bitten...or not, especially around dwellings.
 
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Hey Tar Devil, come on down to Carteret County some time, I'll show you a snake that will chase you down when in your boat. I'll give you a hint. He's got cotton in his mouth

I also grew up with this same notion about cottonmouths... until I watched a biologist lie down beside one with his face less than a foot from the snakes gaping mouth. While he recommended that none of his audience (this was on a nature tour) replicate his actions, he maintained he has done this many times and never has a cottonmouth struck until it was touched. It is in their nature, he said, to conserve all venom for food until forced to defend.

He stood up, stepped less than three inches in front of the snake's mouth and walked away unbitten.

PS. Great fishing in your neck of the woods. I have a friend in your area who builds beautiful boats based on the North Carolina indigenous Simmons Sea Skiff hull. They are works of art... will post a photo when I get time.
 
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My Grandfather & father alone could give you 1Million reason's why to kill snakes (in their opinion of course) they know that I am not as scared of snakes as they are, but I do however have a healthy respect for them. My fav. is our Texas rattlesnake, he will at least tell you to back off before you are to close (hopefully you have not suprised him!) My point simply is that if you are in danger and have the ability to quickly dispatch one, with a small .410 pistol than why not advertise it as such. I do believe snakes play an important roll in our wildlife eco. system, and should be respected as such.
 
One snake didn't strike. Okay, so I guess none of them will. One guy said so, after all

ALL I was doing was relating something I saw. He was, however, a professional that makes a living studying snake behavior. There are a few people in this world who truly ARE experts.
 
Carl Sagan had some interesting ideas as to why humans are so afraid of snakes. He talked about it in his book "Dragons of Eden" I believe it was. It's a brain stem thing. As primates, we became hard wired to be instantly alert for three things; Reptiles (as tree dwellers, they often ate us) Fear of height (tree dwellers that don't respect falling out of the tree depart the gene part at a disproportionate rate) and...darkness...cause that's where the monkey eaters operate at their best. Millions of years experience just prejudiced us against some things.

Who knows what our descendants will be afraid of, debit cards, trains, nuns with rulers....??
 
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