mcdonl
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What a nice looking gun C&L... a real piece of art.
Why my "Nightstand Gun" is a revolver...
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amd6547
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Mine shows a little more wear, and was refinished at some point. But, I got it pretty cheap in a FTF transaction, no tax, no paperwork, while looking for a Model 10.
It is very accurate at 25yds, and makes me look good at the range, even bringing comments from other shooters. I feel perfectly well armed with this revolver loaded with 158gn LSWCHP +P.
It is very accurate at 25yds, and makes me look good at the range, even bringing comments from other shooters. I feel perfectly well armed with this revolver loaded with 158gn LSWCHP +P.
Cocked & Locked
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Thanks! Model 15's are on the nice side...
ljnowell
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I have. After Pistol matches we will occasionaly break out unconventional sidearms to try the course of fire. I have done this with a 7.5" blackhawk. What I find comical is the belief that a 4" barrel is perfect and a 7.5" will get you killed. Thats funny.
I am not. Listen around the boards more, you will hear shotguns being recommended over handguns all the time for home defense.
I am not defending my home against terrorist or foriegn entities, just protecting my family. I am not anticipating a dozen armed assailants breaking in to kill a desabled man and his family. Its called a bump in the night gun for a reason. I wouldnt carry it into combat, but i will take it into my living room to investigate a noise. Also, there is a nightlight on in every room of my house, no problems seeing, on either end.
easyg
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When it comes to self-defense effectiveness, the shotgun seems to make perfect sense.
But when it comes to investigating a strange sound in the house, or just seeing whose ringing the doorbell, the shotgun really is a clumsy and unwieldy weapon.
But when it comes to investigating a strange sound in the house, or just seeing whose ringing the doorbell, the shotgun really is a clumsy and unwieldy weapon.
ljnowell
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I guess I havent hit the right level of black helicopter paranoia to induce me to need a handgun to look out the window and see who is at my door.
Guillermo
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That is uncalled for. You have no idea what his situation is.
ljnowell
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Nor does anyone know what my situation is, yet I am still open to criticism. So, I thank you for your judgement, but my statement was no different.
My situation dictates that a SA revolver is perfectly acceptable, his doesnt. I was making the point that his opinion matters about as much as mine as far what is "enough." Also, that wasnt a shot at anyone, it was a statement of MY SITUATION. I dont live in an area that dictates that, so I am NOT PARANOID enough to do so. I thank you for your opinion also, but your judgement of my post was premature and without understanding of its meaning.
Guillermo
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if such is the case please accept my apologies
ljnowell
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There is no need for apologies, the internet makes it hard to express the meaings behind words. I could have worded it better, I think.
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I love this debate. I've always joined in, and feel compelled to again.
Certain aspects of revolvers and auto's are the same. A firing pin (or striker) under spring tension flies forward and connects with the primer when the sear is tripped. That part is the same for both guns. The trigger or sear mechanism can fail on either a revolver or an autoloader, the spring powering the hammer or striker can fail. The firing pin can break.
But, thats not what usually causes a gun to stop working. Purely mechanical failures are pretty rare in quality handguns.
An auto usually jams during the process of extraction of the empty case, or the feeding of a new round. Though pretty easy to clear, they are also the easiest to induce, through a weak one handed grip. Something you may find yourself with in a life or death battle. That off hand may be busy holding a box cutter off your throat. Its also difficult to pull off that snappy "tap-rack-bang" while rolling around on the floor with somebody really bent on killing you. Works great at the range, not so well in the real world.
A revolver cannot jam in the feeding and extracting process WHILE being fired. That was taken care of before the action started and will be finished after the last round is fired.
So, the most likely cause of a jam in an auto, cannot occur with a revolver in use. Thats a huge difference.
You will never find a revolver that double fed, stovepiped or just failed to feed a particular round. If the case is a little oversized or damaged, you will know when you are putting it in the cylinder. And even then, if you can jam it in there, it will still likely fire. Not true for the auto. The auto is dependent upon the next round being perfect. It also relies on the magazine being perfect. Note that most complaints of auto malfunctions always begin with the suggestion that the shooter change magazines. In a revolver, that part of the equation is eliminated.
So, I own a bunch of each, and, for all practical purposes, the reliabilty is great on both revolvers and autos, but, statitically, the odds are against the auto, simply becasue of all the things that have to go right, that are out of your control, to make it go bang.
Certain aspects of revolvers and auto's are the same. A firing pin (or striker) under spring tension flies forward and connects with the primer when the sear is tripped. That part is the same for both guns. The trigger or sear mechanism can fail on either a revolver or an autoloader, the spring powering the hammer or striker can fail. The firing pin can break.
But, thats not what usually causes a gun to stop working. Purely mechanical failures are pretty rare in quality handguns.
An auto usually jams during the process of extraction of the empty case, or the feeding of a new round. Though pretty easy to clear, they are also the easiest to induce, through a weak one handed grip. Something you may find yourself with in a life or death battle. That off hand may be busy holding a box cutter off your throat. Its also difficult to pull off that snappy "tap-rack-bang" while rolling around on the floor with somebody really bent on killing you. Works great at the range, not so well in the real world.
A revolver cannot jam in the feeding and extracting process WHILE being fired. That was taken care of before the action started and will be finished after the last round is fired.
So, the most likely cause of a jam in an auto, cannot occur with a revolver in use. Thats a huge difference.
You will never find a revolver that double fed, stovepiped or just failed to feed a particular round. If the case is a little oversized or damaged, you will know when you are putting it in the cylinder. And even then, if you can jam it in there, it will still likely fire. Not true for the auto. The auto is dependent upon the next round being perfect. It also relies on the magazine being perfect. Note that most complaints of auto malfunctions always begin with the suggestion that the shooter change magazines. In a revolver, that part of the equation is eliminated.
So, I own a bunch of each, and, for all practical purposes, the reliabilty is great on both revolvers and autos, but, statitically, the odds are against the auto, simply becasue of all the things that have to go right, that are out of your control, to make it go bang.
md7
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i am in the "i really don't care as long as it is reliable" camp.
all of my handguns have proven themselves to be reliable and well suited to the task of HD. my wife feels more comfortable with the revolver, and i like them just as well as autos. so the revolver makes sense for my family. easy point and click interface, and everybody can use it.
an 870 HD is primary, backed by 4" GP 100.
YMMV
all of my handguns have proven themselves to be reliable and well suited to the task of HD. my wife feels more comfortable with the revolver, and i like them just as well as autos. so the revolver makes sense for my family. easy point and click interface, and everybody can use it.
an 870 HD is primary, backed by 4" GP 100.
YMMV
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md7
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and very nice pics there fella's. very nice!
Enough for what, exactly?
Guillermo
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I love the folks of The High Road
with few exceptions truly class people
easyg
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Some folks might think you're being paranoid by just looking out the window to see who's at your door.
After all, isn't the stranger just a friend you haven't met yet?
Actually, if you took the time to read what I posted, I didn't mention a SA revolver at all.
I merely stated that when investigating a noise in the house, or when seeing who's at the door, the shotgun is rather clumsy and unwieldy.
Even a SA revolver would be a better choice of weapon for those task IMO.
I don't mind if you disagree with me, but when you start talking about black helicopters and such, and claiming that I said something against carrying a SA revolver (when I certainly didn't), then you show everyone that you didn't take the time to read and comprehend what was actually stated.
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mgkdrgn
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Gee, I dunno.
Are you talking about how they bought 3" shells for a 2 1/2" in gun, and then cut them down by hand to make them fit ...
Or the part where they test a gun meant for point Self Defense at 10 yards when 95%+ of self defense shootings take place at 10 feet, or less...
INMY01TA
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6 people..45FMJoe said:
ljnowell
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Easy there, easy. I probably got you mixed up because the quote boxes dont have names. Its not something to get worked up over.
easyg
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You're right.
No harm, no foul.
Jonah71
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I now live alone. Any noises in my house better be comming from me. If they've made it inside the house without first waking me, it's a pretty good indication they're not friendly. And that I shoulda spent more money on home security.
Great subject, and one that seems to come up in conversation frequently when I talk with folks about guns.
I own a slew of autoloaders and I have a shelf of trophies won with them, but it's a revolver that is my nearest "go to" gun as well. Maybe it's the reliability, or the fact that it can sit for years with no attention, (even though I do check it several times a year), or maybe it's the fact that I carried them at work for so long, (and won some trophies with them as well). Even at 3 in the morning, fuzzy headed, I know it's going to work, and I know how it's going to work.
Whatever you feel most comfortable with, and are competent with, is the best choice. I do worry about those who rotate different types of guns around as their nightstand gun. If you've never been in a gunfight, you may be surprised how easy it will be to get confused over the operation of the gun, when you're scared sh**less, no matter how great you do at the range switching back and forth.
I can tell you that at least in my circle of friends and acquaintances, even the nationally ranked competition shooters, or the multiple gunfight survivors, almost always seem to have a wheel gun for their bump in the night gun, usually backed up with a shotgun and/or a rifle for when there's time to get prepared.
I own a slew of autoloaders and I have a shelf of trophies won with them, but it's a revolver that is my nearest "go to" gun as well. Maybe it's the reliability, or the fact that it can sit for years with no attention, (even though I do check it several times a year), or maybe it's the fact that I carried them at work for so long, (and won some trophies with them as well). Even at 3 in the morning, fuzzy headed, I know it's going to work, and I know how it's going to work.
Whatever you feel most comfortable with, and are competent with, is the best choice. I do worry about those who rotate different types of guns around as their nightstand gun. If you've never been in a gunfight, you may be surprised how easy it will be to get confused over the operation of the gun, when you're scared sh**less, no matter how great you do at the range switching back and forth.
I can tell you that at least in my circle of friends and acquaintances, even the nationally ranked competition shooters, or the multiple gunfight survivors, almost always seem to have a wheel gun for their bump in the night gun, usually backed up with a shotgun and/or a rifle for when there's time to get prepared.
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