Why were these reloads so dirty?

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blitztech

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I loaded up some bayou bullets in 9mm in 115 gr, 124 gr, and 147 gr. I went the full range of the min/max loads in the books. The min loads of 3.2 gr w231 on the 147 gr @ 1.133" OAL were downright nasty. The 3.4 gr loads were a bit better. No problems whatsoever with the 115's and 124's. They were both great. I also may have put too much crimp on the 147's if that matters.
 
Them minimum load is probably your culprit. Until the pressure gets to a certain point you will not have complete burning of powder. Less than optimum burn=dirty reload.

As far as crimp, you really don't crimp a 9mm round. Its more or less just straightening out the case mouth.
 
Them minimum load is probably your culprit. Until the pressure gets to a certain point you will not have complete burning of powder. Less than optimum burn=dirty reload.

As far as crimp, you really don't crimp a 9mm round. Its more or less just straightening out the case mouth.

Well these are my first reloads ever and I was having an issue with the bullets falling out. I started crimping them. After a while I moved the crimp out almost entirely until it was just taking the flare out. The bullets were no longer moving, but I already had done it to these 147's. I read that crimp on 9mm can really effect accuracy so that issue is behind me now.

I'm just wondering if maybe those max loads are a little light. Any way to figure this out without blowing up the gun?
 
Here are some load data for you to reference.


Current Hodgdon load data

115 gr Lead RN W231/HP-38 OAL 1.100" Start 4.3 gr (1079 fps 28,400 CUP - Max 4.8 gr (1135 fps) 32,000 CUP

115 gr Speer GDHP W231/HP-38 OAL 1.125" Start 4.7 gr (1075 fps) 25,300 CUP - Max 5.1 gr (1167 fps) 28,100 CUP

125 gr Lead CN W231/HP-38 OAL 1.125" Start 3.9 gr (1009 fps) 25,700 CUP - Max 4.4 gr (1086 fps) 31,200 CUP

125 gr Sierra FMJ W231/HP-38 OAL 1.090" Start 4.4 gr (1009 fps) 24,600 CUP - Max 4.8 gr (1088 fps) 28,800 CUP

130 gr Berry's RN W231/HP-38 OAL 1.150" Start 3.9 gr (903 fps) 27,600 PSI - Max 4.3 gr (1005 fps) 33,000 PSI


1999 Winchester load data


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