WI CCW override, yesterday and today.

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Madison - 01.21.04

Today the state senate was scheduled to vote on the override of Doyle's veto of the Personal Protection Act concealed carry bill. Over 150 supporters packed the standing-room-only galleries, and went from one legislator's office to another.

The senate went into session before 11am and at 11:20am the Democrats went into caucus...and they never came out. In the caucus room, Democrat Senator Russ Decker made some very strong and very public statements about supporting the concealed carry bill, and about the senate minority leader, Senator Jon Erpenbach. At that point, Senator Erpenbach ordered the public to leave the room.

Why? The obvious answer is that Senator Erpenbach recognized that four or possibly five of the Democrat senators were poised to vote to override Governor Doyle's veto just hours before the governor's State of the State address. In other words, we have the votes to win in the senate, and Senator Erpenbach did not want to embarrass the governor.

For the rest of the day the Democrats stayed in the caucus room, with the media and our supporters outside. It was a strange sight indeed as some of the supporters of the Personal Protection Act began chanting "come out and vote." TV reporters interviewed supporters, as well as some of the law enforcement officers who were ordered to the Capitol--on your tax dollars--to lobby against the bill.

At about 4:30pm, the Republican leadership decided that the best strategy would be to have the override vote rescheduled for 8:30am--sharp--tomorrow.

We now have longstanding committments from Democrat Senators Roger Breske and Jeff Plale to vote for the override. Senator Russ Decker's public comments today leave him no room to change his vote. Senators Bob Wirch and Julie Lassa did not publicly commit, but cannot afford to anger you by flip-flopping.

We're now in a much stronger position than we were even yesterday, but it's a delicate position. We need to make sure that Senator Decker stays with us, and convince Senators Wirch and Lassa to also honor their original votes for the Personal Protection Act.

So, please, if you receive this email in time, call the offices of the senators below and thank them for voting for the bill and politely urge them to remain consistent in their positions.

Here are the names, counties and phone numbers of the key senators:

SENATOR ROGER BRESKE, from Vilas, Oneida, Lincoln, Langlade, Menominee, Florence, Marinette, Forest counties (800)-334-8773

SENATOR ROBERT WIRCH, from Kenosha county (888)-769-4724

SENATOR JULIE LASSA, from Wood, Portage, Adams counties (608)-266-3123

SENATOR RUSS DECKER, from Price, Rusk, Taylor, Marathon counties (608)-266-2502

SENATOR MARK MEYER, from La Crosse, Trempeleau, Vernon, Crawford, Jackson counties (608)-266-5490

SENATOR JEFF PLALE, from southern Milwaukee county (608)-266-7505

Thanks,
The Wisconsin Concealed Carry Association
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Democrats are stalling purposefuly...

http://www.legis.state.wi.us/insession/senate/index.htm

THE SENATE STANDS IN RECESS
FOR THE PURPOSE OF A DEMOCRATIC CAUCUS

The agenda:

Calendar for: Wednesday, January 21, 2004
1. Call of Roll.
2. Chief clerk's entries.
3. Introduction, first reading and reference of proposals.
4. Report of committees.
5. Petitions and communications.

SB214 - Links...
Fiscal Estimate (SB214 is the CCW bill)
6. Advice and consent of the Senate.

Executive Appointments (0)
7. Referrals and receipt of committee reports concerning proposed administrative rules.
8. Messages from the Assembly.
9. Special Orders.
10. Consideration of motions and resolutions.
11. Second reading and amendments of senate joint resolutions and senate bills.

SB119 - Links...
Fiscal Estimate ...

So if the Dem's ever come out of caucus, it's the first vote of the day. I think according to what happened in the above article from the WCCA, that it's likely the Dems figure there's enough votes from their side to override and embarass the Democratic and very anti-gun Govenor Doyle, so they're setting up a "boiler room" to pressure the pro-carry members of thier party.

On the upside, it's good, because the Dems wouldn't pull this stunt if they weren't worried the override would pass. :D

On the downside, the longer they're in caucus, there is more chance the pressure might work... :(
 
The Wisconsin State Senate just overturned the Govenor's veto. Assembly here we come!!!!!!!!
 
YES!!! On to the Assembly!!!

I see that my senator, Mark Meyer, was one of the Dems to change his position. He originally voted for it, but did not vote to overide.
 
THE VOTE!

Wisconsin Senate Roll Call
2003-2004 SESSION


SB 214
OVERRIDE VETO

AYES - 23

BRESKE BROWN COWLES DARLING DECKER ELLIS FITZGERALD HARSDORF KANAVAS KEDZIE LASEE LASSA LAZICH LEIBHAM PANZER
PLALE REYNOLDS ROESSLER SCHULTZ STEPP WELCH WIRCH ZIEN


NAYS - 10

CARPENTER CHVALA COGGS ERPENBACH HANSEN JAUCH MEYER MOORE RISSER ROBSON

NOT VOTING - 0

SEQUENCE NO. 383
Thursday, January 22, 2004
10:11 AM
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23 for 10 against... 23 out of 33 is 0.696...% more than two thirds. We only needed 22.

The Senate Override passed! On to the Assembly!
 
Here are some of my "favorite" quotes from the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel article (
http://www.jsonline.com/news/state/jan04/201679.asp ) and some associated editorials:

"Senate Democrats refused to let a vote be taken that they said would embarrass Doyle just before he gave his annual state of the state message."

Newsflash: Doyle's already an embarrasment

"Although Capitol police responded after gun owners sang "The Star-Spangled Banner" and "God Bless America," and then hummed "The Battle Hymn of the Republic," no incidents were reported."

Capitol police responded??? :scrutiny:

"We could have done concealed carry yesterday," Erpenbach said. "We could have done concealed carry tomorrow. We could do concealed carry next week. The governor gets one day a year to address a joint session of the Legislature - one day. That's it."

Then Senator Erpenbach, Democrat Minority Leader, why didn't you???? Why are you stalling???? The State of the State address and the reputation of your beloved Governor is now safe for at least another year.

From one of the editorials:

Doyle said it was telling that Wednesday's vote was first announced on the Internet site of the NRA.

"Apparently, (Senate Republicans) informed the NRA before they informed me or the citizens of Wisconsin," the governor said.

Oh No!!! They're onto us!!! All gun owners and republicans including the republican leadership of the Wisconsin Senate are really just mind-numbed robots, veritable automatons sent forth by the NRA!!! :rolleyes: :barf:


There's more but you guys have heard it all by now...same old anti-gun, moreover, superior intellect we know better than you buffalo chips that always gets thrown out by the hoplophobic hordes that dwell amongst us.

- Abe
 
WAIT A TICK!!!:what:

WLS (890 AM, Chicago) just reported (11:30 am, EST) that this bill only applied to "in one's home and business, but not out in public." WTH???:confused:

Is this precatory reporting by the Chicago media again? Earlier they reported that Indiana "allows [don't you love it when they use 'allow'] concealed carry [no concealment requirement] under severe restriction [the fewest restrictions in the nation], for example a licensee has to be 25 [18] and undergo training [untrue]."

Help me out here, guys. What's the straight skinny?
 
Chi-town radio... What they smokin'?

WLS (890 AM, Chicago) just reported (11:30 am, EST) that this bill only applied to "in one's home and business, but not out in public." WTH???
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mpthole is right.

That's what the WI SC ruled in favor of a Milwaukee inner-city shopkeeper who was arrested by MPD detectives for having a .38 in his pocket while in his own store. Before that ruling, the way the law was worded, you were technically illegaly CCW'ing even in your own home, and other absurdities like a guncase or a safe was technically illegal concealment. Absurdities the justices pointed out in their rulings. :D

The WI SC then added an admonishment in it's majority opinion to the Legislature to resolve the inconsistencies and create a permit system. Senator Zien had submitted the CCW bill for several years already by that point.

The WI carry bill was originally EXCELENT, one of the best in the nation (no bar or resturaut bans, just .08 alcohol rule like DUI, could sue your CCW-banning employer if you had a CCW and got shot by a criminal on premise while disarmed!) but through ammendments and deals to get it passed it was watered down to an "average" shal-issue.

21 y.o.

WI DOJ approved gun/safety class.

Background Check.

No Bars, resturaunts with alcohol, no schools, no hospitals etc. etc. etc.

Pretty much average with what most shall-issue states have.
 
For whatever reason they lead with the bit about carrying in your home or business in the bill (SB 214). The paragraph that follows that one goes into the notion of general concealed carry.

Here's the chunk from the bill:

Carrying a concealed weapon in your own home or business

This bill permits a person to go armed with a concealed and dangerous weapon in his or her own home or place of business or on land that he or she owns, leases, or legally occupies, unless the person is prohibited under federal or state law from possessing that weapon (prohibitions that apply to firearms if, among other things, the person has been convicted of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence or a felony; the person unlawfully uses a controlled substance; the person has been involuntarily committed to a mental health facility; or the person is subject to a stalking, harassment, or domestic abuse restraining order or a harassment, domestic abuse, or child abuse injunction).

Licenses to carry a concealed weapon

This bill creates a procedure by which a person may apply to a county sheriff for a license to carry a concealed weapon more generally. The license authorizes a person to carry (defined in the bill to mean to go armed with) a concealed weapon (defined in the bill as a handgun, a stungun, a tear gas gun, a knife other than a switchblade, or a billy club) anywhere in this state except in particular places specified in the bill. These specified places include a police station, sheriff ’s office, or state patrol station; a prison or jail; a tavern or a restaurant with a liquor license unless: 1) the person owns or manages the tavern or restaurant; 2) the person is otherwise authorized to possess a handgun at the tavern or restaurant; or 3) the sale of alcohol accounts for no more than 50% of the tavern’s or restaurant’s receipts); a school administration building; an airport; a building used for religious purposes, for child care, or by a domestic violence services program or a hospital (unless the owner or authorized representative permits a person to carry a concealed weapon there); a building located on a college or university campus; a kindergarten facility; a building owned by the state or a local government if the building provides electronic screening and locked storage for weapons; and any place in which federal law prohibits the carrying of a weapon. In addition, the bill permits a business owner or person in his or her own home to prohibit a licensee from carrying a concealed weapon into the business or home. A business owner, however, may enforce this restriction against an individual only if he or she has posted a notice regarding the restriction in a prominent place and has personally and orally notified the individual of the restriction. Moreover, a private employer may prohibit an employee from carrying a concealed weapon in the course of the employee’s employment unless the employee is in his or her own vehicle. The bill also prohibits any person from carrying a concealed weapon while having a blood alcohol concentration that exceeds 0.08. A law enforcement officer who arrests a person for violating that prohibition or for carrying a concealed weapon while under the influence of an intoxicant may require the person to submit to a breath, blood, or urine test to detect the presence of alcohol, controlled substances, or any other intoxicant. In addition to authorizing licensees to carry concealed weapons, the bill exempts licensees from the prohibition on possessing firearms in a school zone under certain circumstances. Specifically, the bill authorizes a licensee to carry a handgun in a school zone if: 1) the licensee is in a motor vehicle or on a snowmobile or bicycle; 2) the licensee has exited from a motor vehicle and is encasing the handgun or storing it in the motor vehicle; or 3) the licensee is traveling directly between any two of the following places: any person’s private property, the licensee’s place of employment or business, or a place outside of the school zone. This exemption does not apply if the licensee is on the school grounds.

You can read it all here: http://www.legis.state.wi.us/insession/insessiondocs/docs/SB-214.pdf

- Abe
 
When does the legislature vote?


As a Wisconsin resident I have to say finally. Too bad i'm not 21 till August though (I don't yet own any handguns anyway and probably wouldn't be inclined to carry one).

I do carry a knife normally clipped to my pocket, so i'm sure if a cop wanted to be a jerk they could charge me with carrying a concealed weapon. How much is the permit supposed to cost? I'll get one when I turn 21 so at the very least I can keep my knife legal.
 
DTLoken,

IIRC, the bill becomes law on the 5th day after 5 months if it gets overridden in the House, so that'll be around June/July. That should be perfect timing if you turn 21 in August, plus it should be possible to get your training requirement done ahead of time. The permit will cost around $113.

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