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Sheriff's task force to search cars in Milwaukee for guns
Jones says he has concerns about public's rights

By REID J. EPSTEIN
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Last Updated: May 6, 2003

Milwaukee County Sheriff David A. Clarke Jr. announced Tuesday he has established a gun crime task force that will rely on so-called consent searches of cars in the city, a practice that has been restricted among Milwaukee police.

Police Chief Arthur Jones was conspicuously absent from Clarke's news conference, attended by Mayor John O. Norquist, County Executive Scott Walker, U.S. Attorney Steven M. Biskupic and others. Clarke said Jones was "not invited, for no particular reason."

The chief said later that he didn't respond to Clarke's earlier effort to involve him because "it wasn't necessary," and that he hoped deputies' searches don't violate the rights of innocent citizens.

Consent searches, in which police get drivers' permission to search vehicles stopped for minor infractions, can turn up evidence of more serious crimes. Proponents say the tactic helps police find drugs and guns.

But critics say the practice invites abuse. In 1999, as concerns about racial profiling heated up nationwide, Jones changed Police Department policy to require that officers be able to demonstrate a "reasonable and articulable suspicion of evidence of contraband contained within the vehicle" if they seek consent to search.

Both Clarke and Jones have been mentioned as possible candidates for the 2004 mayor's race, but Clarke said Tuesday's announcement had nothing to do with politics. He said he has been planning the gun initiative for six months because he wanted to give deputies "every resource at our disposal" to combat gun violence.

"Our officers aren't going to need 17 stamps of approval to get things done," he said. "They're going to be able to make decisions themselves."

Clarke calls the new task force the Gun Reduction Interdiction Program, or GRIP. Sixteen deputies, who have taken an extra 40 hours of constitutional rights training, with work in pairs from 6 p.m. to 2 a.m. and wear special black uniforms, rather than the standard brown.

Clarke said new scanners will allow GRIP deputies to monitor Police Department radio frequencies to better determine where illegal gun activity is taking place. Deputies and police officers cannot communicate with their standard radios - and still won't be able to.

"It's very silly, but we can overcome these things," Clarke said of the communication barrier.

Jones' absence 'telling'
Robert "Woody" Welch, the chairman of the Fire and Police Commission, called Jones' absence from the task force "telling."

"One of the primary duties of a chief of police is to work cooperatively with other forms of government," Welch said.

In a March 18 letter to Jones, Clarke invited the Police Department to join the gun program, which he launched April 1.

"Our agencies working together in a cooperative effort by sharing intelligence and manpower would be a very positive step toward the prevention, control and reduction of crime in the city of Milwaukee," Clarke wrote. He said Jones has yet to respond to the letter.

"I don't want to read into the fact that I haven't heard from him," Clarke said. "But what do I have to do?"

Jones said he spoke with Clarke last week about an unrelated matter. "He never mentioned this to me," Jones said.

He expressed concerns about aspects of GRIP.

"Allowing officers to stop and search people, I don't think that that's in the best interest of the citizens of the city of Milwaukee," Jones said.

At the news conference, Norquist said the sheriff's initiative will help deter violent criminals.

"The main reason criminals commit crime is they think they can get away with it," Norquist said.

Some aldermen later expressed general support, though at least one shared Jones' concerns.

Ald. Tom Nardelli, chairman of the council's Public Safety Committee, said everyone can support reducing the number of illegal guns on city streets.

"It really doesn't make a difference who's doing it," he said. "If the sheriff has the kind of resources in his department, and the backing of Scott Walker and the County Board to do it, that's great."

Ald. Willie Hines agreed, with one caveat: "I would hope, however, that innocent individuals aren't harassed and their rights aren't violated in the process."

In December, the Fire and Police Commission directed Jones to develop a plan to fight violent crime. In response, Jones placed up to 300 officers per day on overtime, later reducing that to a maximum of 186 officers. Last week, he cut the extra patrols back to between 4 p.m. and 4 a.m.

Under the sheriff's initiative, deputies are exclusively assigned to gun crime.

"This will be their sole focus," he said. "I can't have them tied up for two or three hours investigating a traffic accident."

Clarke said Milwaukeeans are "not safe in our own homes. We're hostages behind security systems and locked doors.

But police department statistics show violent crime in the city is down 17% compared with last year, with shootings down 26%, the number of people shot down 19% and the number of gun-related incidents down 21%. As of Tuesday afternoon, there have been 33 homicides in Milwaukee, vs. 34 at this point in 2002.

"David Clarke's assertions are not true," Jones said. "The Milwaukee Police Department is effective in reducing crime in city of Milwaukee," Jones said. "The numbers speak for themselves."

http://www.jsonline.com/news/metro/may03/139000.asp
 
Would somebody please take the tar, feathers, and two by four's to the good well meaning NAZI sheriff.
 
Clarke calls the new task force the Gun Reduction Interdiction Program, or GRIP. Sixteen deputies, who have taken an extra 40 hours of constitutional rights training, with work in pairs from 6 p.m. to 2 a.m. and wear special black uniforms, rather than the standard brown.

Forty hours of training to know what to do when the motorist says he doesn't give his consent for the officer to search?

I'll bet the new black uniforms are cute too.
 
And what happens if they ask for consent to search and someone says "NO!"? Do they then consider that refusal to be "probable cause" because someone who didn't have anything to hide would consent just to get it over with? :fire:

The guy's a psycho...just curious, is Sherrif an elected post there?

Mark
 
Sheriff Clark has made himself something of a darling of local conservatives by attacking entrenched black community leaders. As a potential mayoral candidate for 2004, he may well be positioning himself against another prominent black Milwaukee official: Milwaukee Police Chief Arthur Jones.

The irony here is that Jones opposes "consent searches," for reasons that involve his base constituency--blacks--and I hope because of some core respect for the Fourth Amendment.

Isn't there one public official who can hold up a copy of the Constitution and say, "this is what guides our policy?"

Unfortunately, I only know one. (ok, maybe two)
 
This is why folks are fleeing Milwaukee in droves!

I can hardly wait until they stop my aunt (age 75) uncle (age 78) and mother (age 79) on their way to see a show at the community center...

in reality this is a lawsuit waiting to happen...and in time it will...
 
Time for billboards and posters.


"Protect our civil rights, just say NO to police requests to search your vehicle."

Hmm... pamphlets under windshield wipers......cheap ads in papers....
 
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot

Where to start
He said he has been planning the gun initiative for six months because he wanted to give deputies "every resource at our disposal" to combat gun violence.
versus
But police department statistics show violent crime in the city is down 17% compared with last year, with shootings down 26%, the number of people shot down 19% and the number of gun-related incidents down 21%. As of Tuesday afternoon, there have been 33 homicides in Milwaukee, vs. 34 at this point in 2002.
Well which is it?
Clarke calls the new task force the Gun Reduction Interdiction Program, or GRIP. Sixteen deputies, who have taken an extra 40 hours of constitutional rights training, with work in pairs from 6 p.m. to 2 a.m. and wear special black uniforms, rather than the standard brown.
40 hours of additional training for what to do when the mark refuses to surrender his 4th amendment rights. Then there's the matter of the late hours and the change in dress.
Under the sheriff's initiative, deputies are exclusively assigned to gun crime.
again versus
But police department statistics show violent crime in the city is down 17% compared with last year, with shootings down 26%, the number of people shot down 19% and the number of gun-related incidents down 21%. As of Tuesday afternoon, there have been 33 homicides in Milwaukee, vs. 34 at this point in 2002.
I guess the deputies can team up with Clinton's 700 special prosecutors tasked to prosecute gun crime.

You people up there have a real problem.
 
mrtgbnkr asked,
"And what happens if they ask for consent to search and someone says "NO!"?"

Never been through Memphis with TX plates pulling a trailer?

"I pulled you over for that illegal lane change back there." Small chitchat, "where you heading, where from?" I'm your buddy stuff. Then…"You're not carrying any nuclear bombs or rocket launchers are ya? No? How 'bout any dope, little bit of weed? We're not after that little stuff and you look like an agreeable fellow, do you mind if I take a quick look around in the car just for my own peace of mind?" He's you good buddy now. "No you say? Well now, that complicates things a bit. See, I was gonna forget the violation back there and let you be on your way but now that you're gonna be a smarta** we'll just wait the 45 min to an hour for my partner with the dog to get here. And, I'll start writing that ticket. Sure you don't wanna be a little more reasonable?" So, being a reasonable person, one agrees and all your stuff ends up strewn around the car, they find nothing, they put nothing back and they send you on your way. "Oh, and never mind about that infraction, we appreciate the cooperation. Have a nice evening, shame about this rain."
:fire:
 
Wierd political manuvering is what's happening...

Monkeyleg, I have no idea what to make of Clarke either. :scrutiny: He seemed to have a real against the grain "black conservative" streak in him that I found refreshing, expecialy his public commitment to step back from revenue generating pansy-assed freeway ticket speed traps, but now I just wonder what kind of posturing he's doing aginst Chief Jones (Clarke's former boss, btw).

Jones for those not in Milwaukee is a little tin-pot Napoleon himself who is usually 100% concerned with political battles over his job and contract, and with his fued with Ex-friend and benefactor Mayor Norquist who just underwent his own massive zipper scandal...

I caught the bit about "special black uniforms" too. Although in the spirit of reasonableness I could assume that is to make the normal Brown/Tan Deputies look more blue/black like police to avoid confusion or something, since they're not usually seen doing street patrol, just county ground, Jail, and freeway work... but still? :scrutiny:

In a second Journal-Sentinel story today they said that they would just let those who didn't consent go and just bust them again with the same "safety violation" over and over til they fixed it. So it sounds on the surface like they're going to follow the rules.

Who knows, I cut through Miller Park stadium parking lots on my way to and from work which is County turf, maybe I'll get pulled over. I'll be sure to report.

The patrol is bounding basically the "black" core of Milwaukee.

It's justified as being the area with the most gun crime in the city. So on one hand, the typical RKBA activist, skeet shooter or whatever getting pulled over, much less getting the third degree over guns is unlikely in the extreme in this region of Milwaukee, but on the otherhand everyone deserves their rights, IM(not-so)HO...

The whole thing is just wierd, and some kind of power play in Milwaukee politics that deep down has nothing to do with guns at all, of that I'm one hundred percent sure...

I'm also pretty confidant any guns they turn up will probably be in the hands of those with criminal records, or up to no good, but the ends don't justify the means in a supposedly free country.
 
Block raids will be even more effective. They'll get around to it. Surround the block and sanitize. Perfect uniforms. "If you're not doing anything illegal you should support our efforts to make us ALL safer!" Bah!
 
This story isn't all that interesting compared to similar stories from other cities. What makes it interesting is the press coverage that exposes once again a media bias against guns.

For example, here's the follow-up story detailing the department's success with their new black-uniformed unit: http://www.jsonline.com/news/metro/may03/139282.asp

And here's the editorial in the same edition of the paper that wrings its hands about 4th Amendment rights, "racial profiling," and a whole host of other issues. Unmentioned in the editorial board's concerns is that citizens have 2nd Amendment rights. That's because this newspaper ascribes to the view that there is no 2nd Amendment.

Anyway, here's the editorial link for those with strong stomachs: http://www.jsonline.com/news/editorials/may03/139122.asp
 
I just recently had a conversation about Constitutional law with a Milwaukee Police Officer with car stops and the Fourth Amendment. And basically what it came down to was him saying “The constitution doesn’t apply to you when I’m on the job – period!†“I don’t care if you think Im a Jack booted Nazi because I amâ€

(Ill leave the name of this officer withheld – lets just call him Josh)

I couldn’t really believe it but I can understand how these officers get on there power trips with the things they see and deal with. The simple fact is they take an Oath on the Constitution of America to uphold…I believe when they get sworn in.

Im glad I left that town
 
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