WI:Pizza Delivery Guy: 1, Anti-gun Politicians: 0 (Duplicate threads merged)

[Dolomite]

No charges for pizza man who shot teen

A 35-year-old pizza delivery man who shot a 14-year-old boy he said was trying to rob him with a BB gun won't face criminal charges.

Milwaukee County Assistant District Attorney Irene Parthum, who reviewed the July 14 incident, said Andres Vegas, of Cudahy, was acting in self-defense when he shot the boy, who police at the time said suffered non-life-threatening wounds to the shoulder, hand and buttock.

Parthum also said Vegas, who had been delivering a pizza in the 2400 block of N. 34th St. at the time of the shooting, won't be charged for carrying a concealed firearm because he had been robbed during a delivery last year and, under state weapons law, had a reasonable belief he needed to protect himself.

The 14-year-old and a 13-year-old who may have been his accomplice, could be charged next week in children's court, prosecutors there said.
www.jsonline.com

 

[BergaminoCAV]

I guess that kid learned his lesson, with the way bb guns look today any untrained civilian would have done the same

 

[xenophon]

WI: No charges for pizza man who shot teen

http://www.jsonline.com/watch/?watch=1&date=7/21/2006&id=8915

FRIDAY, July 21, 2006, 2:25 p.m.
By Derrick Nunnally and Mary Zahn

No charges for pizza man who shot teen
A 35-year-old pizza delivery man who shot a 14-year-old boy he said was trying to rob him with a BB gun won't face criminal charges.

Milwaukee County Assistant District Attorney Irene Parthum, who reviewed the July 14 incident, said Andres Vegas, of Cudahy, was acting in self-defense when he shot the boy, who police at the time said suffered non-life-threatening wounds to the shoulder, hand and buttock.

Parthum also said Vegas, who had been delivering a pizza in the 2400 block of N. 34th St. at the time of the shooting, won't be charged for carrying a concealed firearm because he had been robbed during a delivery last year and, under state weapons law, had a reasonable belief he needed to protect himself.
The 14-year-old and a 13-year-old who may have been his accomplice, could be charged next week in children's court, prosecutors there said.

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So the moral of the story is, if you want to CCW in WI, you have to be a victim first. I guess I'll just have to walk around in the worst part of town on purpose and wait to get robbed, file a police report, and then I'll have my "get out of jail free" card and can carry from then on since ONLY THEN will I have a reasonable belief that I need to protect myself. I mean, why would I have a reasonable belief to protect myself if I've never been a victim, right??

I tried to buy a fire extinguisher at the store, and they asked if my house was ever on fire in the past. I said no, and they denied the sale, saying I had no reasonable belief that my house would catch fire.

I got pulled over the other day for not wearing my seatbelt, and the officer asked why I wasn't wearing it. I replied that I've never been in an accident before, so I had no reasonable belief to protect myself from an accident. He ripped up the ticket and let me off with a warning.

I met this random girl off the Internet, and just as we were ready to have sex, she asked where my condom was. I asked if she ever had gotten and STD before, and she said no, so I explained she didn't have a reasonable belief to protect herself then.

The rationale to the above story from Milwaukee just boggles me, but AT LEAST the poor pizza guy didn't get charged. That was the only positive out of the whole story.

 

[Punkermonkey]

What in the WORLD are a 14 year old and a 13 year old doing trying to rob a pizza delivery guy! Has the world really come to this? I'm speechless.......

 

[Dolomite]

Remember, this is Wisconsin we're talking about here.

The flotsam that choose to prey on honest working men and women have to be taught the hard way, that in some circumstances, yes, we do have CCW in this State.

 

[SLCDave]

How horrible would it be to have to shoot a 14 year old boy? I don't fault the guy one bit. He did what he had to do.

 

[HCfan]

I didn't know that WI had that provision in their laws. Finally, a law worded that actually helps the law abiding and not the criminal.

 

[lance22]

First, BRAVO that he won't face criminal charges. This is very good news.

I feel the same was as SLCDave ... a 14 year old assailent in the company of even YOUNGER violent felons A lot of people failed that kid long before he was was put down while committing a violent robbery. The parents should face their own responsibility but sadly some 'parents' are little more than accomplices / tutors in crime.

 

[Monkeyleg]

I'm glad the DA's office decided not to press charges.

However, the recent state supreme court decision in the Scott K. Fisher case essentially means that you cannot carry a concealed weapon unless you've already been attacked.

That's a poor decision.

 

[DonP]

Pretty common gang practice

The older kid does the actual shooting or hold up and hands the gun off to the "juvenile"offender to carry.

That way if the little kid (as young as 7 and 8 around here) gets caught, it's a minor offense and a short stint in a "Juvie" home and nothing on his record.

 

[DoubleTapDrew]

I bet he won't hold the same opinion of pizza delivery drivers anymore

"Hey wanna order a pizza?"
"NOOO!!!"

Doesn't matter if it's a BB gun, a real gun, or a hair dryer, the intent is there. When I was younger I had a CO2 pellet gun that looked exactly like a Beretta 92 (no red tip, even had the Beretta logo on the grips). Took me a little while to realize how foolish carrying it around was. I'd never point it at anyone but when someone sees a gun they aren't going to wait for you to fire to determine whether it's real or not.

 

[Autolycus]

Just so everybody knows there is no CCW in Wisconsin.

I think that the judges and attorneys would be afraid to charge him because he is the victim in this case.

 

[DoubleTapDrew]

Duplicate: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=211647

 

[Autolycus]

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=211649

perhaps the mods could combine the threads.

 

[Erebus]

How horrible would it be to have to shoot a 14 year old boy? I don't fault the guy one bit. He did what he had to do.

Shooting him is one thing. Living with it is another. Glad the kid lived and he doesn't have to have that on his conscience. Just hope the kids learned their lesson and this isn't just a sign of things to come.

 

[American By Blood]

The 14-year-old and a 13-year-old who may have been his accomplice, could be charged next week in children's court, prosecutors there said.

Will the Junior Judge of Kids' Kort have a gaint lolli for a gavel?

 

[SomeKid]

How horrible would it be to have to shoot a 14 year old boy?

Dave, considering what the worm was attempting to do, I wish the shots had been fatal. Everyone here knows that kid is not going to get better. Better for society that the runt be put down before he rapes/murders some innocent.

 

[cyanide]

How horrible would it be to have to shoot a 14 year old boy? I don't fault the guy one bit. He did what he had to do.

Sounds like it was bound to happen sooner or latter.

Fact of life, kid needed killing robbing people at gun point ( for all they knew) .

Trash is trash.

 

[cracked butt]

I remember a few years back that some civil rights organizations were suing pizza corporations for not delivering to certain areas, this would be a prime example of an area I wouldn't deliver to- its right in the middle of 'da hood'.

I drive near that area every day on the way to work, I wouldn't get out of my car no matter how much someone paid me unless I was able to carry a riot gun slung over my shoulder.


I think the whole anti-CCW in my state might eventually be fixed by the courts even if a few socialist politicians in our state stonewall efforts. A year or so an Arkansas man pulled a pistol out from under his seat and shot a guy who was trying to rob him at a Milwaukee gas station- and got away with it

 

[Edmond]

with the way bb guns look today any untrained civilian would have done the same

I think the police would've reacted the same way. Ever see the airsoft guns? The only cosmetic external difference is the red tape around the muzzle and that can easily be taken care of.

I hope this case will help WI get closer to concealed carry. Or at least it will serve as an example for people to vote out those politicians opposed to CC. I think it will pass in WI sooner rather than later. And then, there will only be one state with no form of CC, IL...

 

[PCGS65]

with the way bb guns look today any untrained civilian would have done the same


I think the police would've reacted the same way. Ever see the airsoft guns? The only cosmetic external difference is the red tape around the muzzle and that can easily be taken care of.

When I was in high school a few kids I knew robbed a gas station with BB guns. The police showed up shot and killed one kid and wounded another.
Better safe than sorry.
Not too smart to commit crime/rob anything if you ask me.

 

[Edmond]

How long ago and where was this?

 

[JesseJames]

Wow, the legal system actually works! Pure sanity!

I hope that kid realizes just how dumb he was for doing that. Hard lesson learned. I hope that was a supreme pizza that he got shot over.
Makes me think of that Nickelback song 'Learn the Hard Way'.

 

[Kentak]

I grew up in Milwaukee. That address you mentioned was the same neighborhood where relatives lived. Many, many years later, we drove through there for old times sake. It was broad daylight and I felt unsafe. The place resembled a third-world African country. This was years ago, so the idea of kids holding up a pizza delivery guy today doesn't surprise me in the least. But, it's not *their* fault, it's our racist society that makes 'em like that.

K

 

[AJ Dual]

Monkeyleg wrote:

However, the recent state supreme court decision in the Scott K. Fisher case essentially means that you cannot carry a concealed weapon unless you've already been attacked.

Yes, but one possible interpretation is that if you're only discovered carrying "illegaly" because you were in an incident where you "needed it", ipso-facto, the attack happened before the discovery of the carry.

The notion that you have to be attacked once before you get your "get out of jail card" is prima-facie absurdity at it's best. The WISC decision, while dissapointing, actualy put them in a corner. Essentialy, they've demanded the state residents either risk death, or have ESP to carry legaly.

Despite the court's attempt to bend over backwards, trying not to do so, the Fisher decision arguably did put us one step closer to "Vermont". At a minimum, we're probably at a point where even the liberal judges want us to have permits, just so they can avoid these "icky" cases in the future.

There's only so many times the court can ignore the "All lawful purposes" clause in the state RKBA amendment, before they'll just rule in our favor, even if just out of spite to thier liberal counterparts in the legislature and governor's office, just for saddling them with such an onerous task...

Don't get me wrong, it's no substitute for passing the PPA, and ridding ourselves of it's opponents, since getting carry via the courts will take years, if not decades, but I do think it would happen eventualy. They're running out of manuvering room.