Will a 30/30 defeat most types of body armor?

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What's the best stuff LIIIa or L4 or whatever. Will a 30-30 defeat this? I assume a FMJ would do better than a typical soft point hunting round. Only Winchester used to make FMJ 30-30, but apparently they don't anymore and I don't believe anybody does. I was thinking of using the Power Point Plus as a home defense load, but that is also softpoint I believe. Anybody have any suggestions? Maybe somebody here could load me some flat nosed FMJ 30-30's?
 
Level IV will stop .30-06 AP, so no, .30-30 will not defeat it. 'Course, not many people wear Level IV armor with rifle plates around much of the time, or even on burglaries.

For home defense, I think any rifle cartridge would be more than sufficient to deal with invaders, unless you expect to be raided by a SWAT team...:uhoh:
 
Before anyone starts wondering about which JBTs wear what and so forth and so on....

I'm certain WonderNine means his question to refer to potential Freelance Home Invaders and other cretins in cases of legal defense of self, family, and home.

Ain't that right, Nine? ;)



-K
 
Before anyone starts wondering about which JBTs wear what and so forth and so on....

I'm certain WonderNine means his question to refer to potential Freelance Home Invaders and other cretins in cases of legal defense of self, family, and home.

Ain't that right, Nine?
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Yes, exactly right.
 
30/30 will probably punch everything up to level III. Level IIA is what most people wear. Level III is too heavy, bulky and expensive.

Dave
 
Seems to me this is once again an issue of probabilities. It is improbable that one's home actually be "invaded" by Bad Guys wearing any sort of body armor, unless you are a very, very attractive high-dollar target. It is improbable that the "typical" burglar would wear body armor that is bulky--and rifle-stopping gear is bulky.

I have read that a basic problem for the average person who is unused to violence is that after one punch or strike, the person stops to see the effect of the blow. This can be a Big Mistake.

Within this psychology, then, it is reasonable that the average homeowner might shoot, and then stop to assess the result. (Too many movies.) Again, possibly a big mistake. All that counts is whether the threat has stopped or not stopped; if the threat is still upright--still a threat--after a hit from a rifle, don't stop shooting. (Skunk, that's true "tactical".:D)

Again, one does not shoot to wound or to kill. That is purely incidental to the shooting to STOP the threat.

Art
 
Amazing how Art posted exactly what I was thinking. If you are enough of a target for your aggressors to USE that level of body armor, you know it. In fact, you are in one of the mig mafia families or your last name is "Calderone" or something similar.


Keep your nose clean and you won't need to worry about punching though.
 
mall ninjas????

i must have missed the joke.


i think even wearing body armor gettin punched by a 30-30 slug comin outa rifle would put somebody down for the count just for the sheer blunt trauma. no penetration thats great but a center mass shot in the chest area sure would take the fight outta most folks!
 
The mall ninja would be waiting for you --- on the ceiling! You would be dead before you realized you were dead, and then your body would smply fall to pieces. But your eye would still twitch a little.

"Oh, I thought you said you were a Ninja!" Donald Rumsfeld.
 
Whether you're a target for trauma-plated bad guys or not...

You could probably afford a perimeter defense and drive an armored Navigator, but if you're looking for penetration in a .30-30, perhaps the Remington Accelerator sabot rounds. Also, handloaded spitzers like the Nosler Ballistic Tip or Partition, in lighter weights, may hold some merit. I have loaded some surplus military .30-06 black tip bullets in .30-30 for my old Savage 340 bolt action, but you're limited to single-loading, and not a lot of velocity with that heavy bullet.
 
Level IIA is what most people wear. Level III is too heavy, bulky and expensive.
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Actually, most wear/use the II or IIIA since that is generally considered "concealable" body armor. The III and IV are considered "tactical" and worn external vests over the uniform.

Class IIIA will stop most all handgun rounds but not rifle rounds. to get protection from rifles you need to move up to a III.
 
i think even wearing body armor gettin punched by a 30-30 slug comin outa rifle would put somebody down for the count just for the sheer blunt trauma. no penetration thats great but a center mass shot in the chest area sure would take the fight outta most folks!
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I agree. Even if they were wearing heavy plates (highly unlikely), a 30/30 centermass chest shot at close range is probably going to send them through the wall anyways. Without plates, it will likely penetrate and even if it doesn't they'll have a broken ribcage. Of course a headshot is always the safest on home invasion goblins.
 
I've seen photo's of a guy taking a .308 round on heavy BA. No massive disruption. If the recoil won't throw you through a wall, the bullet sure won't throw a target either.

No major blount trauma is reported from the current fighting either. Lots of 7.62x39 is getting stopped.
 
All I got to say is I hope your walls are thick enought to stop these .30 cals that'll be lying around your domicle if someone breaks in. Errant rounds hitting innocent third parties provides lots of propaganda for the antis. Especially when some with knowledge of firearms research the bad shoot and find posts like this. Excuse my vehemance here, but, THINK about where EVERY round is going to go. The percentage of thugs that will be wearing armor is less than 10%, but the percentage of .30 cal rounds that will go right through the average house wall made of drywall, stucco, and 2x4s is 100%. Boy, what's with all the .30 cals advocated for home defense these days??? No one has a bulletproof head and shoot a few honeydew melons from house range and you'll see how easy it is to score on a target that size with a shotgun. I'm sure someone will be here to "prove me wrong", but I can rest knowing I've warned them.
 
Ovepenetration

Is a possibility with all cartridges, including the .22 LR. Every time you miss, you overpenetrate. There isn't much to the average house these days besides drywall and some 2x4's. It's far, far, far, far FAR better to shoot once and kill dead with a .30'06 or .308 than to shoot fifteen times and miss half your shots with a pistole, like the COPS do all the time.

It's spray and pray that kills innocent bystanders, not any particular kind of cartridge.
 
No, it's people using the WRONG TOOL for the job that cause overpenetration. Not many people take a hit from a 12 gauge and get back up. But PLENTY get back up after a hit from FMJ .30 cal. Except the 4 year old next door hit by the "just passing thru" .30 FMJ.
 
Well I'm sorry sir, but the criminal is the one who is ultimately responsible for making someone have to shoot a rifle at them. And I don't have money right now to pick up a Winchester Defender 12 gauge.
 
It is improbable that the "typical" burglar would wear body armor that is bulky--and rifle-stopping gear is bulky.
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We often have stories in the press here in Phoenix about home invasions with the perps not only wearing body armor of all types, but shouting "Police," "FBI," or "ATF."

One of these was about two miles from my home in a typical neighborhood.

Rick
 
Really, who gets up after taking a point-blank hit from even a FMJ round from a .30'06 or .308? Obviously, a HP is better. But come on.

I suspect the myth of "overpenetration" was invented to boost handgun sales.
 
Cosmoline, surely you've seen the threads where .223 is lauded over 7.62x39 for it's ability to produce more tissue-disrupting wounds? Yes, people have gotten back up after FMJ hits. This has been discussed before under different topics. Overpenetration is a myth? So, then, I was just imagining that I saw a .308 FMJ go right through almost 1/4" of plate steel and keep going the other day? Must have been an illusion.:rolleyes: Of course, a bullet that goes through plate steel won't penetrate drywall. Silly me.:rolleyes: Nothing needs to "boost handgun sales". They sell themselves. If I have to explain THAT, well, I doubt it'll take anyway. That remark alone leads me to believe you really don't know a whole lot about handguns anyway, so I'll leave it at that. Hey, go right ahead and use the rifle. But it'll be you that has to live with an innocent life on your conscience if worse comes to worse. You can say "so what" now, but I'll guaruntee you won't be saying it if, Gods forbid, it happens.
 
if the 30/30 wont' defeat armor, what kind of damage will 12GA do? it'll be a blow to the chest, but no penetrations whatsoever
 
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