Will condors do us in?

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Reading today that California is about to finally outlaw lead projectiles to save the birds. Since the rest of the country seems to follow their trends from the west coast, should we be worried and sell our lead while it's still worth something or take advantage of California's probable price drop if the worst does happen?


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I’m shooting lead till I don’t have any anymore. Then I’ll scrounge some more and shoot it too. After that I’ll pull out the deep stash, the last 250 pounds of ww mix and cast them and shoot them. By then I won’t be in any shape to shoot anymore, and my kids will find the super secret hidden stash and be good for many years.
 
Not sure how that will stand up. They must mean they will only all Total Metal Jacket. If not they might as well ban ammunition

Probably only applies to outdoor shooting. I bet the indoor ranges will be supporting it.
 
Mauser lover said:
Is this all lead projectiles or just hunting in CA?
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Just hunting. Lead was used to hunt for the last 200 years in these parts---more game, and probably more game lost and eaten by Condors (and there were more Condors as well) than from hunters with modern rifles, scopes, and vehicles.
I think it is a control issue. One piece of legislation and they've made obsolete all the old shotguns without chrome lined barrels, rifles with slow twist rifling too slow to stabilize a lighter copper bullet, and black powder guns to boot. This just doesn't affect the Condor range but the entire state!
 
Yeah, when I lived there it was already illegal in the condor range. I lived in that range, so it was relatively old news to me. They were planning to make it the whole state for a while. However, I was concerned about the target shooting stuff.

It is obviously a control issue! That's politics! It isn't left versus right, it is the amount of politics!

You can still shoot muzzleloaders with lead-free projectiles. Shotguns with lead shot on waterfowl had been illegal for a while before, so it wasn't "one piece of legislation". It was "one piece at a time" and unfortunately we didn't make it "cost them a dime"... or at least much more than that.
 
They'd reintroduce them. Again. The condors in existence are only there because they were reintroduced. Again, pretty sure they only reintroduced them as an excuse to infringe upon our ammunition.
 
They have banned lead projectiles for ages in "condor country"...and now the Pb levels in Condor blood is just as high as it has always been.

Then they blame it on hunters who aren't following the ban, so they are banning it everywhere for hunting in the State.

Junk science. Nowhere have I seen a similar Pb-blood level survey of other avian carrion eaters in the "condor zone" to compare. They also haven't done these non-condor blood tests in zones outside the "lead-free" zone. They refuse to admit it, but this is just one more regulatory slice in the "death of gun ownership by a thousand cuts" that these people believe will lead to gun ownership being such a hassle that everyone will quit shooting.

This, obviously, will create the socialist nirvana State of Kum-By-Ya" they dream about...
 
Maybe California should mine all the lead in the state and sell it to pay for fresh meat for the condors. But then, that would destroy their habitat. What a conundrum.
 
bnolsen said:
Black market. That's where this is all going. Everyone is a criminal anyways so why obey any of the law? That's what CA apparently wants.
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One of the common traits of all dictatorships is to outlaw virtually everything and only enforce the law on political enemies.
 
Mauser lover said:
Is this all lead projectiles or just hunting in CA?
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https://www.wildlife.ca.gov/hunting/nonlead-ammunition

Phase 1 – Effective July 1, 2015, nonlead ammunition will be required when taking Nelson bighorn sheep and all wildlife on CDFW wildlife areas and ecological reserves.

Phase 2 – Effective July 1, 2016, nonlead shot will be required when taking upland game birds with a shotgun, except for dove, quail, snipe, and any game birds taken on licensed game bird clubs. In addition, nonlead shot will be required when using a shotgun to take resident small game mammals, furbearing mammals, nongame mammals, nongame birds, and any wildlife for depredation purposes.

Phase 3 – Effective July 1, 2019, nonlead ammunition will be required when taking any wildlife with a firearm anywhere in California.

Existing restrictions on the use of lead ammunition in the California condor range remain in effect while implementation proceeds.
 
Is there any non lead .22 ammo out there? You would think that the population in general would not go along with so many restrictions on what they can do. WAIT------News flash, most of the population of CA could care less if they are restricted with regards to anything unless it DIRECTLY AFFECTS them personally in a negative way it seems. WHAT A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE.:cuss:
This is pretty much why I live on the other coast and could see England if not over the horizon. As far as practically possible from that cesspool of liberal goodness/groupthink.:thumbup:
ETA: Next step is to only sell lead bullets/ammo (now you have to buy it in state with a background check the first of the year) to those that have a range or gun club member ship and require it to be used there?
 
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FL-NC said:
I think California sees this as an opportunity to make shooting sports and the 2A more restricted while putting an environmentally friendly happy face on it
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The CA government seems to have a lot in common with the Condor, so I understand they are coming from.
Both are scavengers that are content to nibble and peck away.
Only through the deception of flawed politically motivated findings (whether the studies concern firearms or wildlife)
can they be stay aloft in the first place.

JT
 
FL-NC said:
I think California sees this as an opportunity to make shooting sports and the 2A more restricted while putting an environmentally friendly happy face on it.
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Yup. This has nothing to do with saving birds. It's just a convenient means to an end for some scumbag antis.
 
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