winchester model 70 .270 info needed

[1fife]

Winchester Model 70 - .270 Carbine with Leupold Vari-X II 3-9 X 40MM Scope. Very compact and lightweight rifle in excellent condition. Scope is mounted using all Leupold mounts and rings and is less than a year old. Very accurate!

looking for a rifle and found this one used-dont know alot about rifles

anyone use this as a deer rifle?

accuracy to yards?(want soemthing to 200 yards)

Good price?
fair price?

and other info would be great

 

[Nathanael_Greene]

A guy I work with has had great success using a .270 on whitetails.

Sounds like a nice combo. Synthetic stock, or walnut?

 

[30Cal]

It's probably accurate enough for hunting out to 400+yds, but I don't know how much energy it's got out there. Definitely should be OK to 300 or so.

Ty

 

[Steve Smith]

Is it a Pre or Post 64 model? If Post, is it of recent "Classic" manufature, meaning it has the controlled round feed? These specs will come into play regarding price.

 

[1fife]

not really sure what control round feed means

 

[Steve Smith]

CRF is one style of getting a round from the mag to the chamber. The other popular method is push feed. If it is CRF, the bolt face will be flat and the extractor (which wil have a long black piece that extends all the way to the back of the bolt) doesn't dnap over the cartridge rim...rather, the rim comes up behind the extractor as it rises from the magazine. This controls the cartridge during it's transition from mag to chamber. Push feed will have a dished boltface and the extractor is part of it, and pinned in. There were some hybrid half-CRF half push feeds, but they will price as the push feeds will. The Pre-64 (they have CRF) and the late model Classsics that also have CRF (but a G in front of the s/n) start at $500ish for a good action with acceptable but not pretty bits connected. The price goes up from there. The push feed models are $350ish for the same condition and go up.

FWIW, CRF got it's popularity two ways. 1 was in Africa against dangerous game. Some professional hunters swore by them. Others said it was not necessary. 2 was Vietnam snipers. Supposedly the push feed guns (practically every other brand except Win Pre-64s and Mausers) had issues with extractors breaking off at the worst time, case heads ripping off, you name it. The CRF guns were trusted by many. I personally know a few Vietnam snipers that are now gunsmiths and the CRF guns are the only ones they like for that reason. Superstition ofr fact, and what do you NEED? There's your CRF history, worth exactly what you paid for it.

 

[Sodbuster]

anyone use this as a deer rifle

Yes, it's the only deer rifle I've ever used. 200 yards with a .270 is no problem, plenty of energy and flat trajectory. Accuracy and energy available for 400 yard shots, but.... don't. Shot placement is always critical. I don't think Winchester makes a carbine length .270, barrel should be 22" or 24" long. I may be wrong. Assuming a model made after 1964, and with that scope, I may pay $500-550 (if both are in very good condition). If asking price is a lot higher than that it MAY be a pre-64. My Model 70 is post '64 and is push feed (vs. controled feed). No problem with push feed. The Vari-X II is now a discontinued scope, but it will outlast you. I had the trigger pull adjusted to three pounds, and the barrel floated. Very nice rifle/scope combination you found. The .270 is a great deer cartridge. Is there anyone who can look at it with you?

 

[eddailey]

I hunt with a Model 70 Lightweight Carbine (20†barrel) in .270. So far I’ve managed to put down 40+ (probably close to 50) head of big game, most with only one shot. I would tell you at what ranges a few were taken at but you and the others probably would doubt my word (longer than any ranges mentioned in this post, so far…).

Mine will put the first the three shots in a group that you can cover with a nickel at 100 yards, after three the light barrel starts “walking†badly but the only shot that REALLY matters is the FIRST shot out of a cold barrel anyway. I don’t care what ANYBODY tells you or what you’ve read in magazines, unless you’re foolish enough to go up against Brown Bears with it don’t use ANYTHING but 130 grain bullets.

I lived for years and years in north central Montana and all of the guys would kid me about my little “toy†rifle. The same guys, when they drew an elk tag for the steep mountains, would come over and beg me to borrow my light rifle. So while I have not personally shot an elk with it my rifle has taken 6-7 Rocky Mountain elk.

They’ll always be someone who’ll say that you can’t shoot gophers with anything less than a 458, I know for a FACT that a 270 is ALL the gun 99.999% of the American big game hunter will ever need. Not to say there isn’t other fine cartridges out there (30.06, 308, 7mm-08, 260 etc etc etc) but you won’t be making a MISTAKE buying a 270.

Good Luck,
Ed

 

[Sodbuster]

Model 70 Lightweight Carbine

Carbine! :banghead: Live and learn.

 

[nico]

I have a Ruger M77 in .270 and two of the guys I hunt with use .270s and the cartridge works fine for hunting. The only downside (vs. a .308 which has pretty comparable performance) is that the ammunition is pretty expensive for recreational shooting unless you reload. I've seen bulk .308 for as little as $0.45/round and the cheapest I've been able to find ammo for my .270 is ~$0.60/round. It doesn't sound like a lot, but it'll add up eventually.

btw, I've read that the .270 has enough energy at 500 yards to kill deer (around 1000-1100ft-lbs). Basically, it can probably shoot as far as you can.

 

[Sodbuster]

it can probably shoot as far as you can

True. I should clarify what I posted earlier by saying I was speaking to one particular individual who appears not to have enough experience to make a four-hundred yard shot on an animal, taking into account wind, angle of terrain, correct bullet placement, whether or not the animal is moving or standing, the "presentation" of the animal to the hunter (broadside, quartering away/toward, front, etc.) Otherwise, I agree with nico and eddailey.

 

[nico]

I completely agree sodbuster. My point was just that the average hunter probably can't accurately shoot a deer at farther ranges than a .270 is capable of killing one, especially considering that most people don't shoot deer from bipods or benchrests.

 

[Jaywalker]

Sodbuster and eddailey have it right - .270 has been a standard almost as long as the 30-'06. I've been hunting deer and elk (once) with a .270 for over 30 years and it hasn't failed. It's actually much more than needed for Whitetail at any reasonable range.

I also agree that it's a bad idea to stretch its range - not because of lack of power, but because of "trigger actuator" errors. My longest shot was 429 downhill paces for a one-shot kill on a Utah Mulie, but I won't repeat it. As nico said, we don't bring our benches with us, and 400 yards induces many errors. I really don't like to think about how much luck and compensating errors were involved in that shot. I'd rather hold the shot than risk letting something escape wounded.

Jaywalker