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Wolf ammo in my xd?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by possum, Nov 25, 2006.

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  1. possum

    possum Member

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    i know i know what people say, but i have put my xd through hell doing different torture test and have decided to try some wolf as a matter of fact this portion of the torture test calls for 1000rds of wolf 180gr fmj's in my xd without a cleanning. i am not asking if i should use wolf, but i am asking has anyone tried it and what was the outcome? i have read several gun magazines, and the wolf does pretty good in some guns, and shoots better as far as accuracy as other more expensive loads. i normally use brass cased ammo but i have so much .40 brass now i don't know what to do with all of it. i have enough to last me a lifetime. so any experience with wolf in a handgun? i use it alot in my ak, ar and sks, any replies would be appreciated thanks!
     
  2. BIGDADDYLONGSTROKE

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    I have had wolf jam up in my ar before, but as far as my xd .45 I shoot blazer ulminum casing through it all the time with no problem and have shot steel casing (forget the brand) with no problem either. Only problem I have had is it takes even longer to clean shoots pretty dirty.
     
  3. FieroCDSP

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    Wolf is messy

    I don't have an XD, but as far as my .40 goes, Wolf fires just fine. It's a pain to get all the little flecks of varnish from every part of the action, but nothing you cant handle. I view it as familiarization with the pistol. One thing I ran into was case jams after a hundred rounds or so. THe varnish deposited would melt in the hot chamber and stick the cases to it as they fired. Take some cleaning gear with you and if you get a stuck case at any point, scrub your chamber. The first and second stuck cases are warnings of the impending dowel-rod removal of the third or fourth.
     
  4. Ala Dan

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    Nope

    I haven't tried WOLFF in my Springer XD, and probably NEVER will;
    muchless in any of my other guns~!;) :D
     
  5. Cousin Mike

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    When I first got my Sig P220 I decided to torture it a little to test it's reliability, and did something pretty similar. 500 rounds of wolf, and 500 rounds of some aluminim cased CCI crap that jammed my 1911 up nice and good. The Sig held up, FWIW. :)

    It might be fun to see your gun stand up to all that and keep on keepin' on - but you're not going to like cleaning it very much when you're finished. If you're going to clean it after 1000 rounds of Wolf, wear REALLY old clothes because that's going to be a big mess.

    And if you're going to fire 1000 rounds of Wolf, I'd almost advise wearing some sort of gas mask. Every time I've used that stuff I can taste it for 3 days afterwards... :barf:
     
  6. Walkalong

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    I'm scared to shoot Wolf Ammo. Maybe I'm paranoid, but I like my guns too much. I know some people shoot it regular. Thats OK, just not for me.
     
  7. michiganfan

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    Not going to pay 500 for a pistol and then feed it Wolf. Wolf is for my commie guns.
     
  8. .357 magnum

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    Possum I think the XD can take it.

    Possum you are a great guy, so I gotta tell ya I think wolf ammo leaves a lot to be desired. I used it a couple of times and I am not impressed . Pain in the butt to clean. I know the XD can take take it, I own two XD .45acp's, but do yourself a favor and use something else. The only torture is going to be on you, when it comes time to clean the gun.

    Take Care-and have fun shooting that XD!
     
  9. possum

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    thanks guys for all the replies, losts of good first hand experiences. and of course i knew i would get alot of the :what: nnnnnnnooooooooooooooo!!!!!!:cuss: buts thats cool. yeah i am sure it will be a filthy sob, but I like getting down and dirty! fun fun!:)
     
  10. HGUNHNTR

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    I would never use it, however a co-worker put several hundred through his XD9, and ended up with a broken extractor. Any time you put steel on steel ie steel cased wolf into your chamber, and extractor, bad things happen. They may not happen right away, but it will be detrimental to your gun. If you like your XD stay away from wolf
     
  11. 10-Ring

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    I'm not a Wolf ammo fan so I stay away from it...and you should too if you value your firearms
     
  12. mljdeckard

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    I may ultimately be superstitious, but I will keep the philosophy that I would prefer to never use inferior ammo in my guns and therefore never find out it might work just fine, than try it and injure them.

    I had never glanced at Wolf ammo until a few years ago when a friend of mine acquired a Makarov, and he asked me my opinion, and I was caught off guard, I didn't know anything about it.

    I have since come to a general, but safe conclusion. It's ok to use Russian ammo in Russian guns. Go ahead and shoot Wolf through your SKS, AK, Makarov, etc, but DON'T shoot it in your Mini-30, AR, or any conventional western firearm. the Russians designed cheap arms to eat up cheap ammo. If you want to shoot the cheap 5.56, get the AK models chambered for it and use it in them, NOT your Mini-14 or ARs.
     
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    Then wouldn't it follow that an expensive arm should be able to "take" cheap ammo even better?

    I've only used 7.62x39, .380, and 9mm Wolf. Yeah, my SKS eats up the 7.62. My normally flawless Bersa Thunder .380 turned into a JAM-O-MATIC with the Wolf. :barf: My G19 had no troubles with the...say 50 or so rounds I put through it. But that was about when I started hearing things like "the steel case will break the internal parts of the gun" and got scared of it...:eek:
     
  14. .357 magnum

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    Possum

    I really agree with the rest of the guy's, you do not want to damage your gun. I would think up some other torture test. Hey HGUNHNTR How did you like that win on Friday? Some of those trick play's were a lot of fun! On to the Big 12 Championship!

    Have a Good one!
     
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    I dont like how dirty it is. When I worked at an indoor range you could always see where people shot wolf. It left this funky greenish black residue everywhere.
     
  16. daysleeprx

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    Wolf is very dirty; for cheap range ammo I like CCI Blazer.
     
  17. cracked junior

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    i have shot 450 rounds of the 500 wolf 45 acp fmj i ordered. so far havent had a malfunction with my xd 5 inch. i can say. it is dirty, and its not accurate. on a few of the steel cases. if you look closely, its kind of bulged on one side. you have to look closely to see it.
     
  18. Dave Markowitz

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    Some guns will run OK with Wolf, others won't. The only way to know if your gun will work OK with it is to try a couple of boxes.

    The only Wolf handgun ammo I've shot is a few hundred rounds of .45 ACP 230 grain FMJ. I shot it in my Springfield Loaded 1911A1 and my Ruger P-90. It functions fine in both pieces and accuracy in my guns in on par with WWB. I have had one or two rounds which required a second hit on the primer to fire, so based on that Wolf is training ammo ONLY IMO.

    WRT to the steel cases: they are mild steel, much softer than your extractor. Much US military .45 ACP made during WW2 had steel cases. I can't say about the XDs, but Ruger states in the owner's manual for their P-guns (P-89, P-90, etc.) that they are designed for all factory ammunition with brass or steel cases.

    And as for it being dirty ... so what! The fouling wipes off easily, and the ammo is cheap.
     
  19. salvador31c

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    Shot 500rds of wolf outa my Glock 30 One day, it all ran through it fine it was dirty, inaccurate but it still went bang, but why not right, for the price 500rds for $70 that i paid, it was well worth it
     
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    I've not had any issues with Wolf in any 9mm, .40S&W or .45ACP guns. The polymer coated current stuff is different (better) than the older lacquer coated stuff (which never gave me problems either).

    I do find magazine issues in .40S&W and .45ACP because the coated steel cases seem to have more friction than does brass or aluminum which sometimes causes the rounds to bind in the mag leading to feed failures. I find Para Ordnance mags pretty much unusable with Wolf in .40 and .45 because the feed failures are too common to be any fun at all.

    Never had an issue with the 9mm but I didn't shoot much of it (about 4000 rounds) since in 9mm the CCI Aluminum Blazer has usually been cheaper. I've shot up about 12000 rounds of .45 and about 2500 rounds of the .40S&W. I've pretty much stopped buying it as the price has gone up enough the past six months that I can find brass cased reloadable ammo for $40 or less extra per case which is a better buy because of the value of once-fired brass.

    Wolf .380ACP "copper washed" steel cases is really weird. My CZ83 and my Wife's Beretta 86 Cheetah loves the stuff, whereas my P3AT and SMC-380 (PPK clone) won't shoot a 20 rounds without and extraction or ejection problem. What's strange is the Beretta 86 completely lacks an extractor yet its fantastic with Wolf (both accuracy and reliability).

    I think if Wolf breaks your gun you need a better gun, but fact is some guns just don't work with some ammo and vice-versa no matter what the brands of gun or ammo.

    I've run a couple of boxes of Wolf thru my XD45 without any failures. YMMV.

    I don't find Wolf to be particularly dirty, but then I use Unique for my reloads so maybe I have a different threshold, but I only take down and clean my guns after having problems and anything than won't go at least 1000 rounds without a takedown rather quickly becomes a safe queen. I can't find the time to keep up with my reloading (hence all the Wolf and other cheap ammo) and clenaing guns (and magazines) really eats into my time for reloading.

    --wally.
     
  21. HGUNHNTR

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    Loved it 357 magnum, OU is next!
     
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    Ran 150 rounds through my Glock 17. It was super dirty, smelled bad and took me nearly 30 minutes to clean the gun and it still had a nice nasty wolf smell to it.
     
  23. Redneck with a 40

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    Not in my XD

    My XD will never see any Wolf ammo. I'm not putting cheap, dirty, inconsistent, steel cased ammo in a $500 pistol. I value my guns way to much to feed them crap. I currently reload very high quality ammo in 40 S&W for $5.50/50. I have no reason to bother with anything else, much less Wolf.

    One caveat; my SKS loves Wolf ammo, feeds it great, very accurate. This gun was designed for this ammo, thats the difference.
     
  24. SuperNaut

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    The dirty thing is the deal breaker for me. I got a really good deal on 1000 rounds of Wolf .45 and I can't wait to eat through it because cleaning my guns afterward is a nightmare. My CX4 was the worst for some reason (blowback?), it is as if I poured sand down into the damn gun. Collected grains of varnish were everywhere inside.

    That red garbage on the primer is a pain to scrub off as well. Wolf is cheap for a reason. The money you save is more than offset by the time it takes to clean. It stops being a deal real quick.
     
  25. Black Snowman

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    I put about 300 rounds of Wolf 180 gr 40 S&W through my CZ 75B during a defensive shooting course a few weeks ago and had suprisingly good results. Not only did it function flawlessly but it was decently accurate, relatively clean burning, and had no more flash than the WWB most everyone else had. It didn't even have the usual Wolf sulfurus stink.

    I reload but I too have a boatload of brass and so picked up the Wolf for the training (can't use reloads for liability reasons) because it was signifigantly cheaper. I was pleasantly suprised and will purchase it again if I need more factory ammo for training.
     
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