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Wolf LP primers hard to seat

Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by floydster, Sep 21, 2009.

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  1. floydster

    floydster Member

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    Started using Wolf Large Pistol primers loading for 45 ACP, man thses things are difficult to seat and really screws up the rythem of the LNL press hanging up the shell plate if the primer is not fully seated. You really have to ram that primer home, I don't like it.:(
    I don't have problems with the Wolf small pistol, just the large.
    Anyone else? Thanks.
    Smokeyloads
     
  2. Otto

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    Does the subplate wobble on ram?
    Are the primers seating flush or 5 thousandths below?
    Have you tried a hand priming tool?
     
  3. floydster

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    The subplate is tight, the Wolf primers are larger in dia. then Rem, CCI or
    Win, about +.001.
    Heck, if I used my Lee hand primer it would break the handle big time!
    It just takes a lot of pressure to seat them, hench it will be my last Wolf LP primers I will buy. I'm priming cases that have been loaded at least 10 times prior to this experience.
    Smokeyloads
     
  4. Randy1911

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    I tried loading Wolf LP primers on my LnL and had the exact same problem with the LP. Like you, no problems with the SP. I gave up and sold them and went back to Winchester. I sure did like the price though.
     
  5. floydster

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    Hi Randy,
    Ya, I wish I would have known about this before I ordered. I did research on Wolf primers before I ordered but nothing like this came up.
    Now I have 4,000 of these dang things to deal with, live and learn.:mad:
     
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    Well, you win, I can't beat that. :D
     
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    Walkalong,
    I can't imagine a hand priming tool having enough leverage to seat these friken primers. I have to grab the back of the LNL to get enough force to seat,then sometimes they don't bottom out and hang up the shell plate.
    I suppose I could drive them in with a hammer:D
    I guess I'll have to prime them on my Classic Cast single stage.
     
  10. Walkalong

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    They may not be lined up just perfect, and it has to be perfect. Hand priming and skipping that step on the LNL sure does make things go more smoothly. That tool has a lot of leverage. I wish I had a few extra Wolf LP primers handy to try, but all I have is a box of 5K that I don't want to break into. It's part of my "rainy day" stash.
     
  11. fprefect

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    Primer seating

    Primers from different manufacturers will sometimes vary slightly in diameter just as different brands of brass will sometimes vary in their primer pocket diameter. I don't know what tool you are using to prime, but if it doesn't take more than approx. twice the force used to seat your regular primers, it shouldn't be a problem.

    In fact, it's the loose fitting primers that would be of more concern to me.

    F. Prefect
     
  12. floydster

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    It's just the Wolf primers I am having problems with.
    CCI, Rem, Win all work great no matter what priming method I use, wether it be on my LNL, Classic turret, Classic cast or hand priming.
    So it's the primers.
     
  13. Uncle Chan

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    My Wolf SR Magnums seat tough too, but they do seat. I'm very happy with Wolf.
     
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    An interesting poll would be how many of the progressive reloader people prime with separate units outside there progressive machines.

    I do.
     
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    Just finished seating 300 Wolf SP primers in S&W .40 cases. I read up on them and the only rap I could find is that they a little oversized. I used an RCBS Universal hand priming tool and had no difficulty at all. True, on a few I had to squeeze harder than usual but they all seated to correct depth. Now, will the go off?

    Historian
     
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    Well, I have a block of 5K of these suckers I'll shortly be into, and nothing to use but a Lee hand priming tool. But, in 4 months they were the ONLY LP's I was able to find for sale. I still can't find any SP's.
     
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    mgkdrgn,
    Let us know how you make out using the Lee hand primer.
    I am anxious to find out, I didn't try mine yet on the PL Wolf's.
    All my 45 ACP brass is primed so I guess I will have to wait till I do some
    shooting again this week.
    Smokeyloads
     
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    I did 10 45 Colts last night with the Lee hand loader and the Wolf primers, and they are harder to seat. My hand strength isn't what is use to be, but I was able to get them seated. Probably wear gloves to make it a little easier on my hands.

    I'll use them until I can find something else ...then hold them in "ready reserve" I guess.
     
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    I have only been buying Wolf large pistol primers for the last couple of years(mainly because of price) and I use the Lee hand primer tool. They are a little tighter than their small pistol primers but not to the point that I cannot seat them. Never broke a handle yet. Although I do have a few spares just in case.
     
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    I do.
     
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    They suck, just like CCI primers do in LP. Hard to push home but manageable. Good thing is that they go bang everytime and they are hard as hell to seat too depp.
     
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    I think I mentioned this issue first about a year ago... They are a smidge larger but that's better especially on well-used brass. I have no problem on my Pro-1000 with Wolf primers. You just have to push a little harder.
     
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    (Yes. I know this is a old thread but as best I can see no true solution has been found.)

    I give up on Wolf LP primers as of today. I did not so much have a force required to install problem as much as a cycle problem. My major complaint was the (392218 PRIMER SLIDE LARGE) hangs in the fully extended position causing all kinds of problems. I spent my whole loading time last night trying to find a solution to this situation with the Wolf problematic primers. I went so far as to lap-in the slide and adjacent components on the L-n -L. It seams to me being forced to hand or single stage load primers in the de-primed case is an unexceptionable solution. When you get in a rhythm and finished product is adding up fast the last thing I want to be forced to do is remove an crucial integrated procedure in the process. Then go in reverse to an antiquated procedure. I have hand primer tools but the fix I will use is not to buy Wolf products. IMHO way buy a new loading system only to go back to the way you did it before.
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  24. helg

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    OK, to continue the old thread.

    I had no problems seating Wolf SP primers in my Loadmaster.
     
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    FWIW, I deprime/resize separately and I hand prime Wolf LP using Lee Auto Prime with just a bit more pressure (2 thumbs instead of 1) than Winchester.

    Since then, I have never had to contend with primer issues and I now waste "zero" primers due to upside down, sideways crushed, crescent mooned, etc.

    No more wasted time and final 2 stations on progressive (flare case/powder charge and bullet seat/taper crimp) really makes it easy to reload (2-3 fingers pressure is all it's needed).

    YMMV
     
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