HarryB
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Sounds like someone trying to stir up a crap storm over a righteous shoot.
Woman kills neighbor’s wolves in self-defense
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Sounds like someone trying to stir up a crap storm over a righteous shoot.
Roadwild17
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First of all, I wouldn’t trust my baby with any animal including a fish. Dogs have been domesticated for thousands of years and wolves are still wild, that’s my .02.
das028
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"Sounds like the woman was looking for an excuse to kill her neighbor's wolves."
I assumed you were being sarcastic, I guess not.
"Wolves are dogs."
"Where in the heck you think domesticated canines came from?"
"People domesticating wolves way back when."
Whats your point? Where are you getting at? You do understand the difference between a domesticated animal and a wild animal dont you?
Animals that are domesticated have been dependent on humans for hundreds maybe thousands of years, in which there natural insticts have become obsolete. Just becasuse you raise a wolf from a pup doesnt mean its domesticated.
Please explain your point because I am a bit confused?
I assumed you were being sarcastic, I guess not.
"Wolves are dogs."
"Where in the heck you think domesticated canines came from?"
"People domesticating wolves way back when."
Whats your point? Where are you getting at? You do understand the difference between a domesticated animal and a wild animal dont you?
Animals that are domesticated have been dependent on humans for hundreds maybe thousands of years, in which there natural insticts have become obsolete. Just becasuse you raise a wolf from a pup doesnt mean its domesticated.
Please explain your point because I am a bit confused?
eagle45
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Close to being your peers in SoCal maybe.
das028
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"By the way, I like to hunt, but would not kill an ape, a whale, or a wolf. They are not quite our peers, but close. shoot a turkey or a buck? right on! food!, fun! stupid animal, with tasty loins. Unless you enjoy eating dog, killing a wolf is barbaric. If you eat dog, then go ahead. Thats the food chain, correct?"
Killing any animal for the sake of killing it is barbaric! But killing an animal in self defense, or defense of ones property, is justified. Dont understand how this lady acted barbaric
Killing any animal for the sake of killing it is barbaric! But killing an animal in self defense, or defense of ones property, is justified. Dont understand how this lady acted barbaric
Yes, you are. But not in the way you think. The natural instincts aren't obsolete or absent; they are, in fact, the very things used to domesticate dogs. Some of the domestication took place via selective breeding, but the majority of it occurred via the simple act of recognizing that canines are pack animals, who follow the alpha male. Humans replaced the alpha male and the dog will follow you as long as you maintain that place. A wolf raised from a pup will recongize you as the alpha, and obey. The natural instinct to hunt wolves display is no different than that of a German Shepherd or beagle given leave to hunt
Ever see dogs which are allowed to roam? They tend to gather together, play, roam around together: the same as a pack of wolves. And sometimes, if the mood strikes them, or if they are turning feral (and animals can do so even with nice loving homes to go to), they will kill.
Exactly--about 15,000 years ago. So many of the natural instincts have been bred out of dogs...Or more realistically, they have been bred for certain traits (Like a beagle chasing rabbits. Most of the beagles I've known had about 3 brain cells--all dedicated to chasing rabbits). One important trait that they have been bred for is is (mostly) peaceable interaction with humans.
So, while genetically "wolf = dog" (they can interbreed), there's a HUGE difference in temperment and their reaction to stimuli, between wolves and "dogs".
I've been training and breeding GSDs for Shutzhund Sport for years, worked with many breeds, and trainers from all over the US and the world. I KNOW what a dogs is gonna behave like, and these are "tough" dogs, that need serious training. However, no matter the amount of training, I wouldn't have a wolf, or a wolf cross, as they WILL revert to their natural instincts under the right circumstances.
Deanimator
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Sharks are fish. So are guppies.
What's your point?
You might want to watch "Grizzly Man" the next time it's on. He couldn't tell the difference between domestic and wild animals either...
mrmeval
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Wolves respond poorly to anyone who has not been accepted as 'pack'. Some dogs display this trait but it's the firmly fixed nature of wolves.
I can only see keeping wolves if it's to rehabilitate them for release back into a wild setting or if there is some reason they cannot be released into the wild.
I can only see keeping wolves if it's to rehabilitate them for release back into a wild setting or if there is some reason they cannot be released into the wild.
das028
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Buzz I see your point, but I dont think you understood my post. Of coarse all animals have natural instincts, but they are not that of a wild animal. Maybe I should'nt of used the word obsolete.
See dfaughs post, thats kinda the point I was trying to get accross.
See dfaughs post, thats kinda the point I was trying to get accross.
That is totally not true!
Ever seen a feral horse? dog? cat? goat? burro?
Been to the Outer Banks of North Carolina and see the feral ponies there?
Ever seen a bull tear up a entire pasture with it's horns in aggressive rage?
Every animal still has it's wild instincts down deep and that includes dogs.
das028
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"Every animal still has it's wild instincts down deep and that includes dogs."
You missed my point, and maybe i should'nt of used the word obsolete.
Again, read dfaugh's post. He couldnt of said it any better.
You missed my point, and maybe i should'nt of used the word obsolete.
Again, read dfaugh's post. He couldnt of said it any better.
das028
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"You cannot totally pacify a dog or breed it's 'meaness' out if it.
You can't."
Again, whats your point? How is this relevant? Are you saying a wolf has the same instincts, as a (insert breed of dometicated dog here)?
You can't."
Again, whats your point? How is this relevant? Are you saying a wolf has the same instincts, as a (insert breed of dometicated dog here)?
das028
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"Yes and vice versa"
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Steak
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Well what do you know...?
edit: impersonator post
edit: impersonator post
das028
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"A lot of posters in this thread prolly opposed the release of wolves to Yellowstone because they thought they would eat their children"
Not at all buddy, thats were they belong! I'm opposed to having wolves in your backyard.
Not at all buddy, thats were they belong! I'm opposed to having wolves in your backyard.
das028
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He Steaks GF,
I suggest you read the article!
"The wolf was tugging on Roo as if he was trying to yank him off his chain."
The key words are "yank him off his chain"
I suggest you read the article!
"The wolf was tugging on Roo as if he was trying to yank him off his chain."
The key words are "yank him off his chain"
birddog
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This was an interesting thread, until the trolls got thrown to the narrow minded wolves.
Unless you have some additional information on this incident, this is a riduculous statement. I guess she could have placed her beagle out there as bait and lured her neighbors wolves onto her property.
Any animal that comes onto my property and poses a threat to me, my family, or my dog, will not receive a friendly reception. I have no problem with people keeping wolves, but they better keep them out of my yard.
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