Woman Shoots Motorcyclist: "Reasonable" or "Unreasonable?"

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Lots of CCWers say that they would shoot another person if they "were in fear of their life."

This is always wrong. There is a little "R" word that is attached to the code that specifies justifiable use of deadly force.

Here is a case where the "R" word is crucial to determining whether her shooting was a good idea or not.

Did Yalanda Parrish think it was "reasonable" to shoot Wesley Mosier? I'm sure she did.

Was it "reasonable" for Yalanda Parrish to shoot Wesley Mosier? We'll find out. They're not taking her word for it...




July 22, 2008

Yalanda Parrish indicted for two felonies in Jeffersonville for road-rage case
By MATT THACKER

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Yalanda Parrish, of Jeffersonville, was indicted Monday for her involvement in a June 17 road-rage incident.

The grand jury charged the 39-year-old Parrish with aggravated battery, a class B felony, and criminal recklessness, a class C felony.

Parrish admitted to shooting Wesley Mosier Jr., 52, of Corydon after he got off his motorcycle and approached her SUV at 10th Street and Allison Lane in Jeffersonville.

“I wholeheartedly agree with the conclusion,” said Prosecutor Steve Stewart, who said he did not make any recommendation to the grand jury, which began hearing evidence just more than a week ago.

Stewart said Parrish can only be convicted on one of the charges.

The main difference between the two charges is that aggravated battery requires that Parrish “knowingly or intentionally” inflicted a serious injury or caused serious risk of death, while criminal recklessness only requires that she acted recklessly in causing the injury.

A B felony conviction carries with it a sentence of six to 20 years in prison and up to a $10,000 fine. A C felony conviction brings a sentence of two to eight years and up to a $10,000 fine.

Parrish turned herself in to the Michael L. Becher Adult Corrections Complex at 2:50 p.m. Monday. She posted bond and was released within 13 minutes. Bond was set at $100,000, and she had to pay 10 percent of that amount to be released.

Stewart said Parrish was the only one charged by the grand jury. He would not rule out the possibility that Parrish’s 15-year-old son, Phillip, will be charged, but said he will not release that information to the public because Phillip Parrish is a juvenile.

Last week, the grand jury interviewed Mosier, Parrish and her son, Jeffersonville Police Department Detective Charlie Thompson and 11 other witnesses. According to the grand jury report, all known eyewitnesses were located and gave their sworn testimony. The six grand jurors and one alternate also reviewed 57 exhibits, including audio, video and documentary evidence.

The grand jury report stated that the deadly force used by Parrish was “unreasonable under the circumstances.”

The prosecutor outlined nine possible charges, which included four levels of criminal recklessness, three levels of battery, aggravated battery and attempted murder. Aggravated battery was the second most serious offense available.

For Parrish to be charged with attempted murder, Parrish would have had to show an intent to kill, Stewart said.

Although Mosier was not charged, the grand jury report concluded that he was “clearly not without fault.” His attorney, Larry Wilder, conceded that point, but said Mosier’s actions were not criminal.

“I think good common sense is that you don’t get off your motorcycle,” he said.

Wilder said the grand jury decision sends a message that people have to be responsible when carrying a handgun.

“It says in Clark County, it’s not the Wild West,” he said.

Mosier was hospitalized until June 28 and checked back in briefly last week. According to Wilder, Mosier had an existing medical condition and the trauma from the shooting may have shortened his life by several years.

Wilder said the bullet was lodged behind his liver and will not be removed, because doing so could cause more damage. Mosier appeared in court last week in a wheelchair being pushed by his mother.

Thompson also said he agrees with the decision and praised the grand jury for its thorough investigation. He testified July 14 for three hours.

When asked what he hoped people would learn from the case, Thompson said: “It’s not worth it. Two people, their lives are ruined practically because of something that wasn’t necessary.”

Not everyone agreed with the grand jury’s decision. The Rev. Clifford Leavell, a local black minister, said that he is concerned with the racial makeup of the grand jury, as well as with the fact that Mosier was not charged.

Mosier is white, while Parrish is black.

“If he’s not without fault, then what will they do to him? That is the question that should be asked,” Leavell said.

When asked by members of the media for comment as they left the courtroom, none of the jurors responded.

Parrish’s attorney, Brian Butler, was not immediately available for comment.

http://www.newsandtribune.com/clarkcounty/local_story_204115204.html?keyword=topstory
 


FCFC said:
Lots of CCWers say that they would shoot another person if they "were in fear of their life."

This is always wrong...

Well, we know FCFC's position and little else. About the only fact the article seemed to present was the shooter is black and the shootee is white.

 
Not much information on the circumstances.

I have to tell you that if a motorcycle thug gets off his bike and approaches a woman in a car in a menacing way, if I am on the grand jury, she can do whatever she feels is necessary to defend herself.

In this case there is the kid in the car issue. The story does not say what part he had to play in the incident.
 
Seems she exited her vehicle to shoot him and then her 15 year old son came out and was kicking and taunting him. Bottom line, she's a savage and needs to be in prison.
Only after she tried to defend herself from an attack by a motorcycle thug by hitting him with the car door and was unable to do so.

Without more information I am unwilling to condemn her, as it seems the motorcycle thug went after her. But kicking and taunting by the kid after the shooting is clearly over the top.

<added> I am only using the term "motorcycle thug" to present one possible situation. It might be possible he just went over to ask her for a date or to tell her she had a flat tire.
 
Motorcycle Thug!? Hey ilbob, your bigotry is hangin' out. Were you scred by a biker when you were growing up? Maybe the "dumb woman" in the SUV was driving like a woman and all he was gonna do was tell her she drives like an idiot. I've done that a time or two myself but that doesn't make me a motorcycle thug

All we've got to go on is what is in the story

"The woman said, 'No you don't,' and opened up the door, tried to hit him with the door and she shot him," she said. "Point blank." The witness said she didn't believe Parrish was justified.

"I don't think she had the right to shoot him because he wasn't, he didn't do anything wrong," she said. "He just got off his bike and walked back there. He wasn't nasty with her or anything else."

Motorcycle thug? ********
 
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ilbob: I have to tell you that if a motorcycle thug gets off his bike and approaches a woman in a car in a menacing way, if I am on the grand jury, she can do whatever she feels is necessary to defend herself,
Only after she tried to defend herself from an attack by a motorcycle thug by hitting him with the car door and was unable to do so.

ilbob,
It never says she was attacked by a "motorcycle thug." There are any number of reasons why he could have been walking up to her car. We could all make up scenarios about people but discriminating against him because he rides a motorcycle is not going to fly with me. There is nothing wrong with riding a motorcycle and I would hope that you keep your eyes open for people riding them. Such as myself.
I will try to keep an un"thug"like demeanor at all times while riding anywhere near your cage as you might bash my helmeted face in with your car door and then shoot me.
 
To those who object to the use of "motorcycle thug". Please see what I wrote above.

<added> I am only using the term "motorcycle thug" to present one possible situation. It might be possible he just went over to ask her for a date or to tell her she had a flat tire.
 
Only after she tried to defend herself from an attack by a motorcycle thug by hitting him with the car door and was unable to do so.

Without more information I am unwilling to condemn her, as it seems the motorcycle thug went after her. But kicking and taunting by the kid after the shooting is clearly over the top.

<added> I am only using the term "motorcycle thug" to present one possible situation. It might be possible he just went over to ask her for a date or to tell her she had a flat tire.
Just because the guy is a motorcyclist and rides a Harley doesn't mean he's a "thug."

Here's some more info about the "thug." The video includes a shot of the bullet hole in his chest.

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Video: Man Describes Road Rage Shooting To Officials


Man Describes Shooting To Police
Wesley Mosier Gives Formal Statement

POSTED: 4:02 pm EDT June 30, 2008
UPDATED: 6:24 pm EDT June 30, 2008


JEFFERSONVILLE, Ind. -- The attorney for the man shot in the chest following a road rage incident two weeks ago said his client gave police his first formal interview Monday morning.

Watch The Story

Police said Yalanda Parrish shot 52-year-old Wesley Mosier Jr. in Jeffersonville.

Parrish told police she was scared and pulled out her gun to defend herself.

"They said, 'Yeah, it's your lucky day.' I said, 'What's that?' She said, 'You're getting ready to get killed,'" Mosier told NewsChannel 32.

"This is the bullet hole entry," he said, showing us his wounds. He has a small bullet hole and a large scar from his neck to his stomach.

He also paints a very different picture from what police said the woman who put the bullet in his chest has said.

"He expressed in great terms and certain terms, at no time did he threaten Ms. Parrish or that he acted in an aggressive manner," said Larry Wilder, Mosier's attorney.

Jeffersonville investigators said this all stared two weeks ago when Parrish and Mosier were driving down Highway 62.

"I noticed this dark-colored SUV right on my bumper," Mosier said. "I speeded up a little bit and they still stayed on my bumper."

"The evidence will show, the pictures will show that Ms. Parrish pulled her SUV within two feet of his motorcycle," Wilder said.

Mosier told police he jumped off his bike at the intersection of Highway 62 and Allison Lane to ask Parrish why she was tailgating him. Police said that's when she pulled out a .38-caliber revolver and shot Mosier in the chest.

Police said in interviews, Parrish was afraid and felt she had no other choice.

"The fact that a man gets off a motorcycle and storms back to a woman with her child in the car, I think that would make anyone feel threatened," said Brian Butler, Parrish's attorney.

Wilder said there is plenty of evidence to dispute the self-defense claim.

"His license on the back of the motorcycle is handicapped. This lady followed a handicapped man down Highway 62 where she had 41 separate opportunities to exit Highway 62," Wilder said.

"I'd like to see them do to her just exactly what they would do to me if the shoe was on the other foot," Mosier told NewsChannel 32. "No more, no less."

Police also released new information in this case about an incident between Parrish and a postal carrier.

The postal worker called police following the shooting to report that Parrish has allegedly been harassing and stalking her over a three-year period.

The postal worker told police it got so bad Parrish followed her into a shopping center and the postal worker was so afraid, she ran into one of the stores for help.

All this information will be presented to the grand jury next week. They will decide if charges will be filed.
http://www.wlky.com/news/16750247/detail.html
 
Lets just say that I am pretty close to this case. I don't know either of the people directly involved but have been privy to a lot of information. The woman is in the wrong here and I am angry that they did not charge her with attempted murder.

Also keep in mind that this woman threatened another person with a firearm just a short time ago.

When the story first broke I thought it was a good shoot. Sounded like a clear cut case of a Mother defending herself and her child against an aggressor. However as more information came out it became obvious that this was NOT the case.
 
I am in the boat that lethal force is the last option. And I don't know enough the facts to make a comment, but from what has been reported, I am really doubtful that she was in the right.
 
I'm sure it is not the first time, nor will it be the last. You will get over it.

You're right but everytime some bigoted dolt calls someone a thug simply because they ride a motorcycle I'm gonna call 'em on it.
Not that I'm directly calling you a bigoted dolt but if the shoe fits...
 
RoadkingLarry Bigotry comes in many flavors and an explanation is not an apology and I'm offended as hell.

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Unless he had some kind of weapon in hand she's going to have a hard time proving that she was in some kind of danger. The lawyer will ask her why, if she felt she was in so much danger, she got out of her vehicle. And why did she not just drive off?

She was angry and she wasn't thinking of anything other than revenge. Fry'er. lol.
 
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I don't see enough information (I'd take the stories from the involved parties with a shaker of salt) in the articles to voice a solid opinion on whether or not this was reasonable. Seems like both were being stupid, one a little more than the other, and it played out badly. We see this all too often when two idiots run into each other.

Motorcycle Thug!? Hey ilbob, your bigotry is hangin' out. Were you scred by a biker when you were growing up? Maybe the "dumb woman" in the SUV was driving like a woman and all he was gonna do was tell her she drives like an idiot.

Just had to note this - pot, meet kettle. The THR motorcyclist arguments (happened at least once that I recall) are just as bad as the "non-NRA leecher" arguments here.


That being said, if the woman is at fault, I hope she's locked up permanently. If the man is at fault, I'd say he got what was coming to him. I don't have all the facts, and the stories are very limited in information, so I'll let the jury take care of that.
 
If no paint is traded,then I wouldn't approach anyone (if it was, it would only be to trade information). What's the point? To tell them they drive poorly...

That woman should get closer to the 20yr sentence if the facts presented above are correct.
 
Now that lawyers are involved we won't know the truth. If I were on the jury, with what I know, he approached her, she feared he was going to hurt her, and she took action. She did not go to him. She walks. Be careful who you approach when you're angry. (and don't tell me he wasn't angry).
 
Y'all need to keep a lid on this 'biker thug' feud or you WILL get the thread locked and a perhaps a private visit from the mods. I recommend PMs if there's anything more to say between y'all.

Back to the topic at hand: as much as I tend to discount the majority of what I read in the news, the accounts of this do NOT make it sound like a good shoot. It certainly appears as if the shooter provoked a reaction.

It sure sounds like the presence of a weapon altered the decision-making of the shooter in an unfortunate way.
 
A pocket full of loose change will discourage people from "riding the bumper" while on the bike. It's a last ditch effort, but it works everytime (so I hear). I have dismounted at a redlight and asked *** is up with the tailgating. I have had people pull so close to me at a light that I reached back and pounded on their hood- they just don't see you...
Riding a motorcycle daily is a challange just to stay alive sometimes. People cut you off, crowd your lane, or just change lanes on top of you, follow too close, throw crap out of their windows, you name it..... I can't say what I would have done in his case, and I hope I'm never put in that position. I'm not choosing sides in this matter either, just offering my opinion

If no paint is traded,then I wouldn't approach anyone

Trading paint means a trip to the ER when it's bike Vs. SUV. It ain't that simple
 
I'm sure it is not the first time, nor will it be the last. You will get over it.

OK folks lets try to do a little reading before we go tossing insults and agressive language around ok?

So this woman aparently hates letter carriers and handi caped bikers.

Her kid needs an attitude adjustment too. The media can sway a whole story one way or another just by saying a few words. The media should be charged for misinformation too IMO.

This woman needs to be charged to the max she created her own shoot situation this could be read as premeditated. Why they let her out on bond is beyond me too.
She did not go to him.
tailgateing counts as going to him!!!
 
I wasn't there,so I'm not gonna make a decision as to what should have happened,nor do I know the events that led up to the shooting,but I'll tell you what would happen here.
If somebody approaches my vehicle after there's an on-road altercation,and will not stop when ordered to do so-further advance toward my vehicle or my person will result in me drawing and firing on them. I don't care if they're black,white,yellow,purple,etc,etc...or if they were riding a motorcycle or driving a Mercedes.
There have been far too many people shot point blank while inside their vehicle after some idiot gets pissed off on the road and walks up to the window to solve their "problem".
JL
 
First off, ibob, roadkinglarry, I'm a long time lurker on this site. You two are above this petty arguing.
OK, back to topic.
If she was really that afraid why didn't she take her foot off of the brake and bury it in the gas pedal???
I dread to think what a SUV would do to my motor.
A legal shoot and a rightous shoot are different things. Just because its legal (this wasn't) doesn't mean it was a good shoot.
 
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