Women > Men w/ Guns?

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I took my girlfriend shooting a month ago, she was firing my springfield milspec 1911 at 7m. first couple mags she was grouping at 6-8", under a minute of coaching she put 4 rounds just to the left of the bullseye, 3 of them touching, and dropped the last 3 rounds about an inch or so below, but in line with the bullseye. it got a little heavy for her. it took me a few months of learning on my own to achieve that when I started, so she's better than me if time invested was equal.
 
I haven't trained as many people as the many illustrious teachers here. I have noticed that women tend to take instruction in these sorts of things better than men. I would hesitate to call it "ego" but a lot of guys seem to assume that they already know how to shoot or identify with what they've seen on movies. Women also, on average, seem to be more prone to working for consistency on precision tasks.
 
fugi ~

If I'm reading your post correctly, she had you as an instructor, while you learned on your own without an instructor?

pax
 
From what I''ve seen at the range during Qual with my M16A2 in the Marines, woman tend to do worse than men. Out of about 10 female Marines only 1 managed to pass. Just my .02 cents.
 
Mixed Bag

My wife has done well so far -- that is, she takes instruction well and converts learning to application.

She's not gold medal material (yet) but she has a vision handicap and she's still nervous around the things.

My daughter has been shooting quite a bit more than my wife. My daughter does not take instruction well. She kills a lot of dirt.

My son has been shooting a little more than my daughter. He takes instruction better, and will eventually outshoot me.

If my daughter could reign in her impatience, she could certainly become a superb shooter. She has excellent hand-eye coordination, she's able to draw pretty much anything she sees.

My wife, who has bad eyes and poor coordination, is outshooting my daughter, and it's not about physical talent. It's about willingness to learn and converting learning to application.
 
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women and shooting (sports)

I think,

here in TX as well as most of the 'old west'

women are better shots because

drumroll, please

those that weren't didn't last long enough to have kids, or protect their offspring.:what:

btw my Mom outshot dear Dad on their ccw tests and my SO pretty much drives all shots down one hole, with that same (snarl) weapon my groups look like shotgun patterns,:scrutiny:

but w/ my pistol/rifles I do OK.:D

r
 
An anecdote isn't data, but I'd like to share my greatest disappointment.

Years back we had a women's self defense student who was a natural gunsel. Her reaction to stress and adrenaline was to relax and smile. Sensory confusion? She widened her perception out and just moved a little more carefully. When we took the class to the range she picked up a revolver for the first time and put a dozen through the ten ring.

I so wish she would have decided to go into a profession that would make use of her considerable natural gifts. But she decided she'd rather hoe the tough row of a pianist. :banghead:
 
In my 77 yrs. around women, where a lot of my friends were women, I've found that women are better listeners, and want men to be better listeners to what they have to say. Unfortunately, many men are not good listeners but tend to shut out women and get bored easily. This often makes women better learners, at least on some subjects. As has been noted a number of times above, the macho thing gets in the way, particularly where a man is supposed to be good at something (like shooting).
 
The first time I took my girlfriend/now fiance shooting she shot her first five rounds inside the X-ring at seven yards on a B-27 Silhouette, shooting a Glock 17. I tried to start her out with a .22 pistol, but she wanted to shoot a "big gun" :). That was her first time to ever shoot a handgun, and she had only limited experience with rifles and no experience with shotguns before that.

I have taught a few women how to shoot, and after about five minutes of instruction, about 99% of them can shot a group at seven yards they can cover with their hand or smaller. I do think women are faster learners than men, and most of the women who I have taught to shoot are genuinely interested in learning how to shoot and getting better at it.

I have read online (please take with a grain of salt) that 40% of new handguns are sold to women.

Just my .02,
LeonCarr
 
pax that's correct, I learned on my own and I gave her a couple pointers after she tried on her own. I wouldn't say I instructed her, I mean it consisted of "focus on your front sight, let the target blur. put the white blur on top of the front sight, make sure it's level and even. squeeze, don't pull, grip with your left hand, focus on trigger finger for right hand" and that was it. not at all recoil shy, doens't even blink.
 
From what I''ve seen at the range during Qual with my M16A2 in the Marines, woman tend to do worse than men. Out of about 10 female Marines only 1 managed to pass. Just my .02 cents.

I noticed it too, ILIKEIT!, in Basic. The DI's there are not exactly being the supportive, concerned instructors women need for thier first time shooting. Heck, I only qualified Sharpshooter in Basic, and I was a decent shot before going in. But the drills whapin' one on the head with the alabi paddles randomly kinda cuts down on the precision. I didn't run my ranges that way.
 
Yeah sure, women outperform men...

Thats why women consistently win shooting competitions like IDPA, IPSC, Bullseye, etc.

:rolleyes:
 
I think its all BS. I have never seen a woman shoot all that well, and certainly not better than I do. Thats not to say women are all poor shots, just that I have never personally seen a good one.
My gut feeling though, is that there is no reason that women can't shoot as well as men. I see no reason why one gender or the other would have a physical or mental edge on this.
 
Most men that say women shoot better are just being patronizing shmucks. Gender has nothing to do with it. It's all about training and experience. Period! End of discussion!
 
I really don't think that name-calling is going to help the discussion here, Bob.

pax
 
with humour, i reply to this excerpt from zoogster's post:

"Men were designed as is seen in all primates and most mammals for combat, agressiveness, yet differ far less chemicly day to day meaning the same stimuli under the same conditions will likely provoke a similar response."

reply:

"If women are supposed to be less rational and more emotional at the beginning of our menstrual cycle when the female hormone is at its lowest level, then why isn't it logical to say that, in those few days, women behave the most like the way men behave all month long?"


ok...all kidding aside ( and please zoogster, understand no flaming was ever intended, just a smile in return for your interesting post), IMHO sure, women usually do pick up using firearms quite well. But then, so do the men.

I'd respectfully point out that there may be a factor in addition to our (meaning human) social behaviors & natural human instincts - the way we learn. Ever notice some people learn by different methods? some can be told; some have to just 'play' with the object; others just read about it, then apply it. Success in learning a skill like using firearms may lie in how we process information. In short, we each have a learning style.


What are learning styles?

Learning styles are simply different approaches or ways of learning.

What are the types of learning styles?

1) Visual Learners:

learn through seeing... .

These learners need to see the teacher's body language and facial expression to fully understand the content of a lesson. They tend to prefer sitting at the front of the classroom to avoid visual obstructions (e.g. people's heads). They may think in pictures and learn best from visual displays including: diagrams, illustrated text books, overhead transparencies, videos, flipcharts and hand-outs. During a lecture or classroom discussion, visual learners often prefer to take detailed notes to absorb the information.

2) Auditory Learners:

learn through listening...

They learn best through verbal lectures, discussions, talking things through and listening to what others have to say. Auditory learners interpret the underlying meanings of speech through listening to tone of voice, pitch, speed and other nuances. Written information may have little meaning until it is heard. These learners often benefit from reading text aloud and using a tape recorder.

3) Tactile/Kinesthetic Learners:

learn through , moving, doing and touching... Tactile/Kinesthic - Hand

Tactile/Kinesthetic persons learn best through a hands-on approach, actively exploring the physical world around them. They may find it hard to sit still for long periods and may become distracted by their need for activity and exploration.

more drivel and bombastic detail available at your request...

vasilia
 
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Pax
Very nice, thoughtful post. I will be at FAS in Feb. I look forward to meeting you and maybe getting some pointers too. The truth is in the targets, isn't it?

Vasalia,
I teach via the three methods you explain. Although I teach tennis, the principles and midset are identical. "The Inner Game of Tennis" would be a good read for some students, wouldn't it?

-terry
 
Women are better shots than men for a number of reasons.

I always get a kick out of some of the men on Tuesday when it is "Ladies Day" at my range.

They always seem sort of upset when they leave. The wives/girlfriends/paramours are always all smiles.
 
I've got two incidents to relate...

The ROTC unit at my college hosted an open house with laser fire simulators- shooting at a bullseye and popup targets. One girl there, who had never shot before in her life, did extremely well. Other girls that tried it did well too...And they all enjoyed it...

My flight instructor told me one day that her family had an informal shooting contest, and that her grandmother was the best in the family:what: ...

So I would say that they are not necessarily better every time, but they perform extremely, extremely, well. Every woman that I have seen shoot seems to do well, as long as they are willing to learn to use the sights and good position and other fundamentals of marksmanship.

And if a woman beats you, so what? Suck it up! I wouldn't have a problem dating/and or marrying a woman that outshoots me- it just doesn't bother me.

Now, stop your childish crap before this thread gets locked!:cuss:
 
"If women are supposed to be less rational and more emotional at the beginning of our menstrual cycle when the female hormone is at its lowest level, then why isn't it logical to say that, in those few days, women behave the most like the way men behave all month long?"

There is far more variation than just that time, that is just what the media and public focus on because it is when it effects them. However the chemistry levels of various hormones change continuously throughout the entire month not just when others notice it during the time it makes one agitated. That is why I did not refer to a particular part of the month.

So the point was that under the exact same stimuli and condition the response has greater variation over time.
This however is not target shooting related as it is skill based on dexterity and concentration in which this does not play much of a role.
Under combat conditions it however could play a role.
 
I've heard that women are better than men at shooting for a number of reasons, and whether or not the reasons are true, i would think that anyone, men or women could be great shots, poor shots, or just all right. It pretty much comes down to how much training, practice, and patience is put into it. Some people are naturally good at shooting, but regardless of gender, with practice anyone can become a good shooter.
 
Haven't read all the replies, but I doubt it's becuz women are better listeners and men are not. If the topic is of interest to a male, he WILL listen.

I'll believe the theory it's becuz we have smaller hands, or the brain that deals with the handwriting comes into effect, and has something to do with how you shoot(women usually have nicer handwriting) before I'll believe that it has to do with men not being good listeners.
 
Pax,

I agree with cousin Mike. you nailed it!

vasilia

"And -- for the record -- I resent and have always resented the implication that if I shoot well, it's not because I've worked hard for what gains I've made, but simply because I'm a woman. Learning to shoot is not a natural process, and anyone who does it well has to work at it."
 
zoogster,

...mildly interesting...exactly where are you getting these facts from?


"So the point was that under the exact same stimuli and condition the response has greater variation over time.
This however is not target shooting related as it is skill based on dexterity and concentration in which this does not play much of a role.
Under combat conditions it however could play a role."

vasilia
 
All I can say is (unscientifically) that every woman I've ever taught to shoot, progressed faster, and shot better than most males I've taught.

Additionally, when I used to teach "self-defence" martial arts for women, they also progressed very rapidly.

Why? I have no idea.
 
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