Mowgli Terry
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Wood stock on my AR: I'd be worried about my AR catching afire when I dump magazines. 
Wood Vs Synthetic?
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chicharrones
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Wood stock on my AR: I'd be worried about my AR catching afire when I dump magazines.
You mean, like this?
Or, do you shoot more than few hundred rounds per full auto session?
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Mowgli Terry
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AK afire: You can see worse on Youtube.
Yeah, that Browning DuraTouch stuff has issues. I bought a brand new X-bolt with a synthetic stock that sat in my gun room in its original box for a few months while I got a scope for it and other things in my life delayed taking it out. While I was getting ready to put scope mounts on it, I noticed the finish on the stock was bubbling and peeling. No solvents, no heat, no bud spray, nothing other than skin oils had ever touched it. Browning initially told me no known timeframe to fix it. When I demanded a refund, it magically got restocked. We will see how long this stock lasts. I'll replace it with a Boyd's next.
Mowgli Terry
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Nuclear: Dropped by my dealer this afternoon. He had the new X-bolt with tacky stock. There were several other brand new Browning's with synthetic stocks. All those guns were sticky. Check out the commotion on the net concerning Dura Touch. Shades of the salt wood scandal of many years ago.
Addendum: My rifle with the cankered stock was a Thompson Center. It was a used gun. I don not know what happened the gun in other hands. There were large patches of finish gone. T/C replaced the stock quickly. It was necessary to send the gun back. T/C paid the shipping both ways. Little bit of difference there.
Addendum: My rifle with the cankered stock was a Thompson Center. It was a used gun. I don not know what happened the gun in other hands. There were large patches of finish gone. T/C replaced the stock quickly. It was necessary to send the gun back. T/C paid the shipping both ways. Little bit of difference there.
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Not really. Install an alu heat shield like A1/A2 plastic handguards have and you'll be fine. M16 carbine seems to heat up its handguard too hot to comfortably touch with bare hands after around 5-7 30rd magazines on full auto, HB rifle 1-2 mags later. That's still far from a reasonably well protected wood stock even getting charred. The only time I've actually seen flames is when I accidentally left a length of black duct tape on the barrel shroud of an MG42 and merrily blasted away 15 hundred round belts until I smelled smoke...Wood stock on my AR: I'd be worried about my AR catching afire when I dump magazines.
Then again, the commercially available wood furniture kits put my fancy walnut + TiN "Saddam, revisited" project on hold. Whenever I can be bothered to go custom, I like having guns no-one can buy over the counter. Preferably not even close.
I'd really like to show the gun that started this but its currently wrapped up under our Christmas tree. My Wife said something like... well I can't really repeat what she said. Suffice it to say the pic will have to wait a few more days. Till then, enjoy life and good will to all men... and women.
Mowgli Terry
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Oh no, not the wagging index finger under the nose. Hope to see the pictures.
WOW! the wood in the pic for the Knot Hole, Wow! Super nice. That's what I'm talking about. Hunt with it.... Hmmm... Ya know those 1911's made from a meteorite? Ya think they do much target practice with them? I think they said they were worth 4 million. Who knows. For what it's worth, I'd take a trophy gun over a trophy Wife. Probably use them the same amount.
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Trophy Something: It's a nice thought. What would happen when you went to show off trophy AK at the local Golden Arches. That would make the local Live Eye 6:00 PM news and the local SWAT team. Sleeping with an AK would would best kept secret. Of course, trophy wife would go for being left in gun safe. AK would be better to live with at Christmas and Valentine's.You can go on this one for awhile.
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No need for hand wringing and a bucket of tears when these and similar things happen. It's like a fender bender on your Rolls, when it happens you take it to an expert to get it fixed. Like this high grade Beretta with the stock broken at the wrist. No problem. Simply screwed and glued back together, a few patches here and there, the checkering touched up and it looks like new again and the wrist is stronger than ever. This wasn't my gun, but the expert who did the repair has done other work for me...
Mowgli Terry
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Nice work. How much did nice work cost? I appreciate nice gun could be repaired.
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I’m curious how you break a stock like that.
The craftsmanship it took to repair it is amazing
The craftsmanship it took to repair it is amazing
I like wood, but only if its nice. If its going to be some white wood with a grain spray painted on it I would rather have plastic. Due to my budget most of my guns are plastic. The guns I have built have nice wood on them though. I also like laminated wood but so far haven't acquired any.
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You know, after scanning those links I think some of those laminated wood AR stocks look pretty good! I'm going to have to think about this.
I'm sure my shooting buddy, who holds himself as the arbiter of good taste in weaponry, will probably flip his lid when he sees it, but I think they look good.
Needless to say, some companies make crappy stocks, of both the wood and synthetic variety. That's a given.
But let's just accept that the OP was probably referring to a good quality syn stock, VS a good quality
wood stock. The synthetic stocks on both my M77, and X bolt are, IMO, very good quality. And I'm given to understand the counterparts, with the wood stocks, are also
well made, of dependable wood.
Mowgli Terry
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It would be a good thing to keep in mind that companies do make both quality word and synthetic stocks. There is no Tupperware involved in my A-Bolt or T3. Likewise, my SPS Remington is perfectly usable. These rifles are using guns and not to wow the crowd. These are hunting rifles not give the peanut gallery a thrill.
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I have all three, wood synthetic and laminated. I tend to drift toward the laminate because......well I like it. It also seems to hold up against the elements. To each their own and simply enjoy what you have..
Mowgli Terry
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A friend gave me a factory stock for a short action Savage bolt action. It was stout and pillar bedded. I do not consider this stock to be Tupperware. On he other hand some of these mail order cheapo stocks give Tupperware a bad name. On the upside, I had the money refunded on a cheapo even the company was aware it was a used. The refund was unexpected but the rifle was dead in the water until the broken stock was replaced. Do you think we may be talking about three different worlds? Those worlds t would be wood, laminated and synthetic? Got all three and the best is the one I'm shooting that day. It would be easier to compare stocks within each kind. No apples and oranges. Seasons greetings to all.
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That reminds me I had a car that sat at my house for about a year after I stopped driving it. When I went to get it out of mothballs to sell it I found there were rubber liners in the cup holders and in the center armrest that had all crumbled and turned to goo. The car was 20 years old and I had owned it for 4 or 5 years and they just spontaneously disintegrated. I had to scrape out all the chunks and clean the goo out with acetone.
chicharrones
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Similar problem with my wife's 2008 Honda Civic, but it was the "vinyl" covered armrests. I'm not sure how car makers could mess up vinyl when it held up so well on much older cars.
One thing is for sure, the recent trend in grippy surfaces (and the lack of longevity) has turned me into a curmudgeon against such material or coatings.
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Another option not being discussed is reinforced wood, which combines light weight with strength plus the beauty of real wood. A sample shown here on a 10.5 lb benchrest rifle, which is beautiful "fiddleback" western cedar. Lightweight cedar is reinforced with a thin, full length layer of woven carbon fiber, which makes it very rigid, but retains the light weight of the wood. Which is very desirable in varmint class bench rifles which are weight restricted. By saving vital ounces in the stock the barrel can be heavier and stiffer, which equates to a bonus in accuracy, plus the wood being pretty to look at. The carbon fiber layer under the forend also makes the rifle ride the bags smoothly, another bonus. This concept would also be great for hunting rifles but the craftsman who makes these stocks isn't presently interested because of the demand for his benchrest stocks...
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