Ok, now I'm not very knowledgeable about guns, so correct me if I'm wrong. But would it not be a good idea, for the gun companies to make ammunition in calibers equal to a shotgun bore? Like, I know some pistols can fire.... .40 (I think) pistol ammunition and .410 shells. So, couldn't the companies make equivalent handgun and rifle sizes, so that you could have two options? Idk, I've always loved shotgun pistols, some of the old timey, pistol grip shotguins with a short ass barrel, oh yeah.
Would this be possible, or probable?
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earlthegoat2
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First of all: Research the Taurus Judge.
Second: Shotguns with barrels under 18" are restricted.
This has actually been done before and the Taurus Judge is not unique. THere are pistols that fire rifle rounds, and pistols that can fire shotgun shells and rifles that can fire pistol rounds.
Second: Shotguns with barrels under 18" are restricted.
This has actually been done before and the Taurus Judge is not unique. THere are pistols that fire rifle rounds, and pistols that can fire shotgun shells and rifles that can fire pistol rounds.
benEzra
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The .410/.45 Colt chambering works because .45 Colt is a straight-walled case and a .410 is a longer straight-walled case of the same diameter. Most rifle rounds use tapered cases, so a rifle round/pistol round chamber wouldn't work.
The reason you don't see 20- and 12-gauge analogues of the Judge is that handguns ate generally limited to .50 and under by the NFA; 12-gauge is .73 caliber and 20-gauge is IIRC .68 caliber.
The reason you don't see 20- and 12-gauge analogues of the Judge is that handguns ate generally limited to .50 and under by the NFA; 12-gauge is .73 caliber and 20-gauge is IIRC .68 caliber.
jpwilly
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^^^ 20GA is .615"+-
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Any firearm classified by BATF as a pistol hsa to have a rifled barrel. That's how the Judge can shoot shotshells and still be classified as a pistol.
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Ok someone has to mention the reason of practicality. There is a reason that you don't generally see people 1-handing their 12-gauge PGO shotguns, and that is because recoil is basically unmanageable even with a full size gun. PGO Shotguns are usually 5 to 7 pounds of weight overall I think.
Now consider that and imagine a 3 or 4 pound "Pistol" that is firing 12-gauge powered ammunition. The recoil would be insane and so accuracy would be nigh impossible.
Ok let's say you are Hercules and can manage the recoil. Most 2 3/4" Shotgun shells take up to 22" of barrel length to burn the powder fully (again referencing 12-gauge). So that means that using a 6" Barrel you are only burning at best half the powder (no that's not a mistake, less powder burns further down). So while half the powder might get some serious velocity on it, it still isn't going to match the power offered by an 18" PGO Shotgun.
So as a matter of practicality, shotgun bore pistols just don't make very much sense. Lastly I will say there are bullets for shotguns, they are called slugs.
Now consider that and imagine a 3 or 4 pound "Pistol" that is firing 12-gauge powered ammunition. The recoil would be insane and so accuracy would be nigh impossible.
Ok let's say you are Hercules and can manage the recoil. Most 2 3/4" Shotgun shells take up to 22" of barrel length to burn the powder fully (again referencing 12-gauge). So that means that using a 6" Barrel you are only burning at best half the powder (no that's not a mistake, less powder burns further down). So while half the powder might get some serious velocity on it, it still isn't going to match the power offered by an 18" PGO Shotgun.
So as a matter of practicality, shotgun bore pistols just don't make very much sense. Lastly I will say there are bullets for shotguns, they are called slugs.
otcconan
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The M-1 Carbine is a rifle chambering a pistol round. I know it was designed for the carbine, but look at it...it's a pistol round.
Tommygunn
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No, the .30 Carbine is a medium power rifle round. It can be used in pistols. I've seen revolvers chambered for .30-30 too and I am not sure I'd enjoy shooting one.
The carbine round in a tad much for handguns. The muzzle flash is excessive and the noise is awesome.
The carbine round in a tad much for handguns. The muzzle flash is excessive and the noise is awesome.
Dr T
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There are many things in engineering that you CAN do, but that you probably SHOULD NOT do.
The Taurus Judge in 45 Colt/410 is OK. You can manage the recoil with both chamberings.
But consider that the 45 Colt, 454 Casull, and 460 S&W are all based on the 45 Colt case, and can all be fired in a gun chambered for 460 S&W, and that 45 Colt can be fired in a gun chambered for 454 Casull.
The case length for the 460 S&W is 1.80", and so it looks like a short, brass 410 Shell.
It is just a matter of time before someone sticks a 460 S&W in a Taurus Judge and lights it up. Note that I have not examined the chamber of a Judge to see if has been machined to prevent this, but someone of adequate ingenuity can figure out how they can modify the cylinder to allow it.
The point is: The cylinder of the Judge is long enough so that this CAN be done, But, it DEFINITELY SHOULD NOT be done.
The Taurus Judge in 45 Colt/410 is OK. You can manage the recoil with both chamberings.
But consider that the 45 Colt, 454 Casull, and 460 S&W are all based on the 45 Colt case, and can all be fired in a gun chambered for 460 S&W, and that 45 Colt can be fired in a gun chambered for 454 Casull.
The case length for the 460 S&W is 1.80", and so it looks like a short, brass 410 Shell.
It is just a matter of time before someone sticks a 460 S&W in a Taurus Judge and lights it up. Note that I have not examined the chamber of a Judge to see if has been machined to prevent this, but someone of adequate ingenuity can figure out how they can modify the cylinder to allow it.
The point is: The cylinder of the Judge is long enough so that this CAN be done, But, it DEFINITELY SHOULD NOT be done.
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