Would you Intervene?

[Bullet]

El Tejon you're still here? I thought you got thrown off the boat.

Really, isn't the United States Great. Anyone can express his or her opinion. I don't agree with you but I can live with that.

As far as claiming that throwing you off the lifeboat was murder. I say it was your choice because I would have asked you - Will you give up your seat (on the lifeboat) to this woman? If your reply was yes I would think you just committed an honorable suicide. If your answer was no and then you got thrown overboard I don't think this would be murder.

What you don't know how to swim (you should have taken swimming lessons) NOT MY PROBLEM

What the water is freezing (you should have brought your own lifeboat) NOT MY PROBLEM

I think by answering no you just committed an unhonorable suicide. NOT MY PROBLEM

Have a nice life.

PS Are you from FRANCE?

 

[Matthew Courtney]

The armed men could be cops serving a warrant or undercover officers making an arrest, who knows? I believe we all have a duty to help protect the innocent, but before introducing my valuable self to a violent situation, I would have to know who the goodguys are.

Which is the more common occurance: Daylight kidnappings at gunpoint or lawful arrests by cops not wearing uniforms?

 

[Beren]

Wow, this thread has really taken off. Anyway, in response to the sandbagging ( ) that Edward429451 laid on me..

Is clear...as viewed through a cloud. If you're not properly equipped then you should get so equipped. It might be your wife or daughter needing help, then whats your excuse?

Unfortunately, I cannot realistically wear body armor on a daily basis. Nor do I routinely carry a short-barrelled rifle or shotgun on my trips to the movie theater. Also, I don't have a number of highly-trained friends in position to provide support fire.

I don't know if I would be able to stop myself if it was my wife or daughter involved, but I hope I would do as I outlined earlier.

I am not going to attempt to shoot through my wife or daughter.

It comes around again to the particular circumstances of the scenario. The described scenario does /not/ present much hope of the hostage coming out alive if I attempt a direct, armed engagement with my concealed handgun.

Sometimes it IS better to do nothing, and it is almost always better to avoid doing things the Hollywood way.

IF:

A. The muzzle of the visible handgun is not pointed towards the victim.

B. The armed opponent is not mostly obscured by the victim.

C. The area behind the armed opponent is reasonably clear of people I would prefer not to put holes into.

D. (B) and (C) also hold true for the second visible opponent, who would have to be engaged next.

Then, and only then, would I view it as productive to engage directly with my concealed handgun.

 

[Schuey2002]

Yes, i would.

 

[El Tejon]

Bullet, I can't have a nice life, you thrown me into the icy water. Sort of like shooting (or having one shot by the officer/BG) a bystander to save the arrestee/victim.

Turkey, beliefs are good, but reality is something else. Sometimes best to have beliefs based on reality.

Real life is not a gun shoppe bromide or a movie. The problem is that some believe that doing what they believe is "right" will not be seen as such by those that they hurt doing "right." If you start a gunfight on the street, you may not be seen and mentioned as a hero, you may be seen as reckless and mentioned as the defendant. Of course, it depends.

B9mm, I'm counting the days--52 days as of 13th of Febuary.

 

[Edward429451]

It comes around again to the particular circumstances of the scenario. The described scenario does /not/ present much hope of the hostage coming out alive if I attempt a direct, armed engagement with my concealed handgun

I can agree with this only would add that she dont seem to have much chance for survival if you only observe & report also.

Your checklist seems reasonable enough. I think that those considerations are a given in almost any scenario. How could I take the shot if any of those conditions existed?

IMO, getting equipped is more of a mindset than body armor or whatnot. Seems like some people steer themselves more towards looking for a reason to not engage than a way that they could possibly engage and save a life. This is not hollywood, just determination. If I was hollywood, I'd have shot the dog that attacked me 4 or 5 times instead of 1 in the grass in front of him.

My position is not hollywood shoot up the street and hope for the best. If you dont have a clean shot, just stay on him with your sights instead of reholstering to grab your bic pen to write the license number. He may give you a shot when he moves to the other side of car to get in, or the girl may throw herself to the ground to resist getting in the car, giving you an opening. If I never got a clean shot, I probably would not have the license number either cause I'd stay on him until they drove away, looking for the clean saving shot.

I just think its wrong to decide beforehand that you would not engage them.

 

[Diesle]

This is not hollywood, just determination. If I was hollywood, I'd have shot the dog that attacked me 4 or 5 times instead of 1 in the grass in front of him.

4 or 5 times....???!!!

Holy crap, now thats some determination! On the dogs part......


Diesle