WWI Luger...should I sell ?

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I have a Luger that has been passed down to me and my dad before he passed told me to sell it after he was gone, but I wouldn't part with it unless it is worth a great deal. I'm just not sure how to even find a value. Here is the story......try to keep it short

Great Grandfather was in WWII. He took this Luger off of a officer however it has NO serial # . I was told by family that investigated many years ago that Hitler had given his top Generals weapons with no serial #. or just makes for a better story ? Anyway...here are some pictures and I'm open to advice. Thanks in advance.
 

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... I wouldn't part with it unless it is worth a great deal.
I'm certainly no kind of expert, but I'd say that has to be worth a great deal. Fabulous, amazing example. I'd have a hard time selling it considering the history despite its obvious monetary value.
 
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It has to be worth quite a bit. There are probably people on one of the Luger collectors forums that can help if nobody here can. That is a beautiful gun.
 
A Luger expert needs to inspect your gun or see your pictures. First of all it's not a NAZI era Luger, rather an earlier one made by DWM. The 44 on the part in the receiver is part of the original serial number.
 
Thank you. It has real wood on the magazines which I understand to put it around 1901 to 1905. I'm only going to sell it if it is really worth my while. I guess that is what I'm trying to sort out.
 
Tango2020

Very nice engraving on your Luger! I would imagine it would fetch a fairly substantial amount at auction. Please let us know if you do find out anything else about it's history.

Unless I really needed the money I wouldn't sell it.
 
Don't sell it unless you need cash badly, IMHO. I would expect it will only increase in value as time goes on. If the ballpark figure you come up with is fairly high, you might think about checking how much your insurance covers.
 
That's a beautiful weapon!

Sell or not sell? That really depends on your financial need. It would be smart to get the gun appraised by an expert in case you ever NEED to sell it. Then you can sell it, wisely, with a good idea as to it's true value.

In the meantime, there's little risk associated with viewing it as an "investment" that cost you nothing to acquire. Just a little care will let you maintain its value, and once "valued" by an expert you can decide whether extra insurance is appropriate. A fire-proof gun safe (small or large, depending on how many other guns you might have), would be worth considering, if you haven't already gone that route.
 
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RainDodger said:
I have regretted nearly every gun I have sold in the past 50 years, even the ones I sold in the dark younger days when I simply needed the dollars.

I have owned and sold MANY guns over the past 25 years, and I feel no regrets for most of the ones that are no longer in my gun safe. My interests and tastes have changed over the years, and what I once might have considered a "great buy" I might now avoid like the plague.

When I sell a gun, I generally use the proceeds to get something better. Or different. And, I've learned a lot in the process by trying and using a bunch of different guns.

It seems to me that when someone says he or she says will never sell a gun, it means he or she is a uniquely astute gun buyer who has never bought a gun that just didn't fit him/her, or has never acquired a gun didn't perform as he/she expected. I've never been that astute, or lucky.

Guns, to me, are a lot like good shoes: they either are comfortable when used, and do what you expect them to do, or they're not worth keeping.. And guns, unlike shoes, can be easily resold.
 
Guns, to me, are a lot like good shoes: they either are comfortable when used, and do what you expect them to do, or they're not worth keeping.. And guns, unlike shoes, can be easily resold.

Yes sir, when one fits you just don't want to give them up. I had one pair of shoes I wore for 12 years everyday and a shotgun I've had for 48 years. Guns are like shoes, I just wish shoes would last as long as guns.:D
 
Guns, to me, are a lot like good shoes: they either are comfortable when used, and do what you expect them to do, or they're not worth keeping.. And guns, unlike shoes, can be easily resold.
If my grandpa gave the the shoes he took off a Nazi officer I would never sell them. That glorious pistol, please. I'd sell any gun I'm likely to ever have, but a legitimate war trophy Luger engraved to that standard in that condition with the family history attached... dunno. I think it's a different class of gun.
 
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ray15 said:
That glorious pistol, please. I'd sell any gun I'm likely to ever have, but a legitimate war trophy Luger engraved to that standard in that condition with the family history attached... dunno. I think it's a different class of gun.

That Luger is really different; my "comfortable shoes" quip was in response to RainDodger's statement that he would NOW never sell ANY gun. As a general rule that's OK, but self-imposed rules can not only guide you, they can mess you up! :)

In an earlier response I suggested that the original poster get that beautiful Luger appraised by an expert. It's clearly a different type of weapon, and the fact that someone of great importance to the family captured the gun in combat adds EMOTIONAL VALUE to the gun for the family. That said, knowing the gun's true financial value is still important, even if the owner NEVER intends to sell it.

Why? Stuff happens.
 
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It seems to have a great family history going, is there anyone in the family that you might consider handing it down to in the future? Seems a shame to end it's history for the sake of a few bucks, but to each his own.
 
That pistol is too valuable to to be casually sold , I don't care HOW much you need the money! If that engraving was done at the factory, that gun is worth way up into four figures, perhaps five. Contact a large auction house and send them some pics. Better yet, contact Simpson's LTD. in Galesburg Ill. Mr. Simpson is one of the premier luger experts on this planet. He will tell you what the gun is worth. Simpson's carries an inventory of several hundred Lugers at any given time. I can't think of a better source for an appraisal. He will no doubt want to examine the gun himself, so send it to him and he can appraise it for you and send it back. It will be worth your time.
 
Very nice!

If it's a family history piece and you aren't in need of cash, personally it would go to my most worthy heir. Sometimes their fortunes turn, but hopefully it gets passed down a few more times after that...

The only gun I truly regret selling was a Savage 99F in .308. My Dad gave that gun to me when I was a teenager in the 1980's, he bought it new many years before that.

I had to sell it in 1988, I was between jobs, down to about eighty bucks to my name and needed to pay rent. I sold it to a local dealer for well less than I probably could have gotten elsewhere, but Humboldt County rain and cold while living in the car just didn't seem to sound very enticing so I took what I was offered. It kept me indoors for a couple of months (rent was $125.00 a month for me), filled the tummy and the car a few times and I was able to find a warehouse job in the area to keep going.

My Dad asked be about that gun several times after I had to sell it; if I shot it or got a buck with it, etc. I said I never had much time to shoot (true), and for a long time I didn't have the heart to tell him I had to sell my first rifle under those circumstances. But several years later when I finally did, he understood.

Your pistol is a beautiful example of the gunmakers art, and like the guys said, if it's appraised I think you'll be surprised at what it's valued at. Whether or not that $$ value is worth more than the memories you have of it is up to you.

Stay safe!
 
Yours looks nicer than the one my friend inherited from his uncle, and it sold for enough to pay for most of a very nice car.
 
Tango2020:
If you decide to keep it, there is an unfortunate, although remote possibility to deal with.

Were something suddenly to happen to you, will a survivor (listed in your will or trust) feel the need to quickly sell it, and take 5-10% of its value?
The estimated value should also be recorded, and can be easily located, so that he/she has an idea of its retail market value.

When my wife's late husband was dying of cancer--before he died, in lots of pain--she Gave Away his two or so handguns, for a reason you should be able to imagine. What if he had owned 5-20, as many of us do?
 
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Thanks for your post and congratulations on owning a very fine luger. At this point, unfortunately, there isn't a lot more definitive information that we can offer. We can offer some possible insight and suggestion, however. There are two keys elements to determining the value of this luger. One is he engraving and the other is the monogram. First, the engraving. Lots of guys brought home lugers and other firearms and then had them "personalized." This process often included having the weapon chrome plated and/or engraved. The question in this case is whether this luger was engraved before or after it came to the US? Your relative may say that he brought it to the US already engraved, but without some sort of documentary evidence, that story can't be verified. However, the style of the engraving offers some evidence. The pattern of the engraving is typical of German engraving, not American engraving. It is often referred to as an "oak leaf" pattern and was a favorite of several companies such as Eickhorn, which often included oak leaves in the background of it's icon squirrel logo. An expert in German engraving may be able to identify your example more definitively. Second, the monogram is the real key. If you can identify the monogram, that will give the pistol "provenance" which will translate into dollars. Fortunately, K and T are not among the most common initials. Who could this be? Well, the engraving doesn't include any party symbols, so your luger probably was not given to a party member in honor of some work for the party. That leaves us with the recipient probably being from the military or civic domain. My understanding of the rules of monograms is that the "K" imposed on top of the "T" means that the last name begins with a "K", but I'm not even certain of that. So, here is a list of possibilities on the military side to begin your search. These are not all "generals" as your inherited oral history suggests, but are people who might have been honored with a luger such as yours:
Kurt von Tippelskirch, Karl Freiherr von Thüngen (unlikely), Karl Alfred Thieme, Traugott Kempas, Theodor Koch, Theodor Krancke, Theodor Kretschmer, Theophil Kuhnle, Karl Tannert, Kurt Tanzer, Karl-Heinz Tesch, Karl Thiel, Kurt Thoma, Karl-Anton Thomas, Karl Thurmann, Kurt Tiesler, Kurt Tischer, Karl Torley, Karl Trautmann, Kurt Trippensee. The task now will be to put your relative, based on his military service record, in a geographical location where he might have come into contact with one of these people, the family of one of these people, or the home of one of these people. They are among some of the names that you might investigate. There are others and it will be a huge challenge to identify the recipient of this luger, but it will be worth it. Best of luck and keep us informed.
 
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Don’t sell the pistol until you know exactly what you have and make an informed decision to do so. Research research!

Good advice here. Don’t buy the Hitler hype.
 
I will give you the advice I gave my mother-in-law about my father-in-law's gun collection (she didn't take it.)

Do you need money? If not DON'T sell.

If you do, sell privately, for CASH.
 
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