WWI Luger...should I sell ?

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In the immediate post-WWII era in Germany, some top notch engravers found that they had to sell their skills cheap in order to eat. Since American GI's had "liberated" pistols they wanted engraved and the Germans had the necessary skills, the result is what we see. Who did the work? I doubt anyone today can even hazard a guess.

But there is a bigger problem here. If the OP is in the U.S., he is in violation of Federal law by being in possession of a firearm from which the serial number has been removed. How or when or why or by whom the number was removed is irrelevant; the possession itself.is a federal felony. I strongly recommend consulting an attorney as he is flirting with at least loss of the gun and at worst a ten-year prison term.

Jim.
 
Jim K may be right. But are you sure there isn't a serial number on the pistol? Here is a video showing where to find all of the matching numbers. It wasn't uncommon to have some of the matching numbers engraved over on the exterior, but the serial number on the front of the frame under the barrel was almost always preserved by the engraver.

 
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What if the # was removed by the factory? What if they never gave it one? A pre-68 gun doesn't have to have one if it was manufactured without one.

An interesting question.
 
That pistol is gorgeous.

It's a testament to your ancestors dedication, and his ability to come out on top.

You sell it, and you will regret it.
 
That pistol is too valuable to to be casually sold , I don't care HOW much you need the money! If that engraving was done at the factory, that gun is worth way up into four figures, perhaps five. Contact a large auction house and send them some pics. Better yet, contact Simpson's LTD. in Galesburg Ill. Mr. Simpson is one of the premier luger experts on this planet. He will tell you what the gun is worth. Simpson's carries an inventory of several hundred Lugers at any given time. I can't think of a better source for an appraisal. He will no doubt want to examine the gun himself, so send it to him and he can appraise it for you and send it back. It will be worth your time.
Thank you for the contact info Tark . As many have mentioned I don't intend to sell unless it were to be valued way beyond my expectations but as noted it is wise to know what you have. Thanks to all who commented.
 
Tango2020:
If you decide to keep it, there is an unfortunate, although remote possibility to deal with.

Were something suddenly to happen to you, will a survivor (listed in your will or trust) feel the need to sell it, and take 5-10% of its value?
The estimated value should also be recorded, and can be easily located, so that he/she has an idea of its retail market value.
Very good point !
 
Thanks for your post and congratulations on owning a very fine luger. At this point, unfortunately, there isn't a lot more definitive information that we can offer. We can offer some possible insight and suggestion, however. There are two keys elements to determining the value of this luger. One is he engraving and the other is the monogram. First, the engraving. Lots of guys brought home lugers and other firearms and then had them "personalized." This process often included having the weapon chrome plated and/or engraved. The question in this case is whether this luger was engraved before or after it came to the US? Your relative may say that he brought it to the US already engraved, but without some sort of documentary evidence, that story can't be verified. However, the style of the engraving offers some evidence. The pattern of the engraving is typical of German engraving, not American engraving. It is often referred to as an "oak leaf" pattern and was a favorite of several companies such as Eickhorn, which often included oak leaves in the background of it's icon squirrel logo. An expert in German engraving may be able to identify your example more definitively. Second, the monogram is the real key. If you can identify the monogram, that will give the pistol "provenance" which will translate into dollars. Fortunately, K and T are not among the most common initials. Who could this be? Well, the engraving doesn't include any party symbols, so your luger probably was not given to a party member in honor of some work for the party. That leaves us with the recipient probably being from the military or civic domain. My understanding of the rules of monograms is that the "K" imposed on top of the "T" means that the last name begins with a "K", but I'm not even certain of that. So, here is a list of possibilities on the military side to begin your search. These are not all "generals" as your inherited oral history suggests, but are people who might have been honored with a luger such as yours:
Kurt von Tippelskirch, Karl Freiherr von Thüngen (unlikely), Karl Alfred Thieme, Traugott Kempas, Theodor Koch, Theodor Krancke, Theodor Kretschmer, Theophil Kuhnle, Karl Tannert, Kurt Tanzer, Karl-Heinz Tesch, Karl Thiel, Kurt Thoma, Karl-Anton Thomas, Karl Thurmann, Kurt Tiesler, Kurt Tischer, Karl Torley, Karl Trautmann, Kurt Trippensee. The task now will be to put your relative, based on his military service record, in a geographical location where he might have come into contact with one of these people, the family of one of these people, or the home of one of these people. They are among some of the names that you might investigate. There are others and it will be a huge challenge to identify the recipient of this luger, but it will be worth it. Best of luck and keep us informed.
WOW. That is great information. My uncle once told me the battle in which my Grandfather retrieved the gun. I will ask him the specifics and do some research. Thank you much.
 
If it were mine….I would get it appraised so I knew what I was dealing with. If it is in fact worth so much money that I didn’t feel comfortable shooting it, I would sell it to a collector, look up to the sky and thank my dad for giving it to me.
If I thought I could cover the loss, I would shoot it and enjoy it, look up to the sky and thank my dad for giving it to me. And at some point, I would give it to my kids.

Leaving it the back of a safe where it can’t be enjoyed by anyone would not be an option for me. In my mind it is a piece of art, and art is meant to be enjoyed, not hidden away.
 
A6BFC875-CF14-493E-A284-E35810045C6C.png Re: serial number. I recall there should be a number located near the barrel/receiver witness marks. That’s the serial number, yes? Like the picture above?? OP, have you looked in this location?
 
I have a Luger that has been passed down to me and my dad before he passed told me to sell it after he was gone, but I wouldn't part with it unless it is worth a great deal. I'm just not sure how to even find a value. Here is the story......try to keep it short

This is how heir looms make it into the public domain. Instead of passing it down, a descendant sells the item to pay for cigarettes, beer, and pizza. Sell it to someone who would appreciate it and give the straight story instead of some concocted fable. Lies don't increase the value of rare items, because, we have all heard it before. There are more "Hitler", "Goering", "Himmler", guns, daggers, swords, patches, hats, on the market than ever existed in WW2. I have seen more "Confederate" swords at Gun Shows than were ever produced during the American Civil War, and when someone starts claiming Confederate heritage of their Arisaka bayonet, it is time to walk away because you will never pop their greedy delusions.
 
Slamfire:
My late father-in-law was in Herman Goering's house, and liberated a few handguns. By then John Dennington (from Abilene TX and an Aggie) was a 1st Lt in the Quartermasters, attached to the 101st in all of their campaigns.
I first heard about this less than 24 years ago. He had no idea in later years what handgun types they were, and had long ago traded them to people for favors during his long Army career.

There was no way to have proven that Goering owned them, but I can well imagine that one of two of the recipients (or heirs) used the "Goering event" in Bavaria to try to capitalize when selling or trading.

He was stationed in Heidelberg in '51 (where my wife was born), lived in Kirschheim, Patrick Henry/Mark Twain Village or such, but he no longer had any interest in acquiring handguns-or rifles.
 
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View attachment 777823 Re: serial number. I recall there should be a number located near the barrel/receiver witness marks. That’s the serial number, yes? Like the picture above?? OP, have you looked in this location?
Yes I Have However there is engraving in that location also. No Number. I'm at work now but I will try and get a picture of that area tomorrow.
 
I wouldn’t sell unless I really needed the money! If it truely is what it is and I’m sure that it is,it should be kept in the family and passed along! ;)
I would try to get it appraised though!
 
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RainDodger here... Walt, I merely said I regretted selling in the past, not that I would never sell a gun.

I'm sorry if my comments were a little more open to misinterpretation than intended...

My comments were aimed at those who were probably a bit more "hard core" than you -- and who say they'd never sell. A surprising number of folks DO say that -- on this and other forums. I don't sell or trade guns I really like, but I've only got a few that can't be replaced. I suspect my son will inherit those guns, and I hope he likes them as much as I do -- but he's a shooter too, and has different tastes in weapons. :(

As I might have already said, folks who NEVER sell a gun they've bought must be very astute judges of weapons and seem to intuitively know how the new gun will fit them as shooters -- or have a lot more disposable income than I do. I guess I'm just not as astute or as wealthy as they are.

Then, too, there are a lot of shooters who own only 1911s, or Glocks, or CZs, or SIGs, or variants of M&Ps. If they stick with one basic pattern or design, its certainly less of a crap shoot.
 
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