WWII 1911 purchase

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I am interested in buying a WWII US property stamped 1911. I don't want to break the bank, and I want one that I can shoot. Ideally, I am thinking I would like one that was re-arsenalled so it will have a relatively nice finish.

Is there any significant difference in quality between Colt, Remington Rand, Ithaca, Springfield? I don't think Singer, or US&S are going to be on my list.

Will Colt's be worth more than the others in years to come?

I want to shoot it from time to time, but have no intention of carrying it, modifying it, etc.
 
Springfield GI-45

Don't know much about 1911's, but I have a GI-45 from Springfield Armory and have no complaints. I guess if you want one thats close to the original army issue and can't actually find one, the GI-45 probably would be a good investment. Well, thats the reason I bought mine.
 
I was interested in the same thing, but didn't have the knowledge to adequately assess the ones I've come across at gun shows as to originality, etc. I bought one of Colts WWI Repros and couldn't be happier. I shoot it often and the fit, blueing and roll marks are correct for the most part. I know it has modern metallurgy and a warranty to boot. The fit is tight and accuracy with the small sights is good. I won't carry it either, but it goes to the range with me often. Good luck.

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Thanks for the info.

I have previously owned one of the Springfield Inc GI 1911s, and currently own the Colt WWI repro.

But now I am looking for the real thing, and am interested in a real WWII USGI US property stamped 1911 by Colt, Ithaca, Springfield, Remington Rand, etc.

Any input on those would be appreciated.
 
Springfield did not make pistols in WW II. They only produced 1911s in WW I. Of course you might come up with one reworked after WW I and reissued in WW II. Or a Colt or Remington-UMC likewise.

In today's market I would not be picky about Colt, Remington Rand, or Ithaca for a 1911A1 but would concentrate on originality and condition. They are all true military weapons to the same basic specs.

A real US arsenal refurb with replacement and mixed origin parts will cost less, shoot as well, and still be authentic USGI issue. Would you mind that?

Back when they were just Army Surplus and cheap, a 'smith told me that Remington Rands were of better materials than the others but that might have been urban legend.
 
USGI

Although they had some issues early on...and actually halted production in order to get it sorted out...from early '44 until the end of production in 1945, Remington Rand was producing a pistol that was fully equal to Colt, and some authorities consider them to be superior to the Colt and the Union Switch...and they were delivering pistols at less cost than either contractor.
My own experience with USGI pistols, most of which is with Rand and Colt, since both are more plentiful than the others...tends to make me agree with that. Remington Rands produced from about March, 1944 until late August of 1945 were consistently excellent.

Now for the bad news...

Original Remington Rands are getting more scarce by the day. You can find rearsenaled pistols that vary from very good, all the way to near junk. Many others are mismatched with Colt or Ithaca frames and Rand slides or vice-versa. I've seen many "Original" Union Switch and Signal pistols that had US&S slides on Colt, Rand, or Ithaca frames. Unscrupulous people lurk in the corners of gun shows all over the place. Some don't actually realize that they have an Ithaca-Rand, or a Union Switch and Colt...but the biggest majority do, and they hope to prey on the ignorance of the public.

Because a pistol is a mixed gun, doesn't necessarily mean that they're gun-show cobble jobs. They often got that way in various armories and arsenals when they went in for service...but many are parts guns that have been thrown together from all sorts of Who-Hit-John parts bins...some of which were rejects...by individuals who should leave mechanical things alone. Caveat Emptor applies in full force. If the mixed and matched pistol was correctly assembled...with all gauges used to insure correct fit and function...most of'em are as good as the real deal, although they're not worth nearly as much as a collectible. These pistols are your shooters, and even then, it's best to keep the round count fairly low.

Decent, original and/or correct Rands...Colts...and even Ithacas...are far too valuable to use as common range beaters. Shooting a Union Switch more than a magazine or two a year is sure to send a collector/historian to the coronary unit...although I've shot mine a bit. Shooting a few rounds occasionally is one thing, but to shoot'em hot and heavy is another matter.

On the other hand...you can still find a well-worn Colt or Rand...or a mix-matched pistol...that you can pick up for not much cash and rebuild and refit, and use for a shooter. These typically run anywhere from as low as 350 dollars to about 800, depending on how rough they are. Check the slide for signs of damage at the rear lug faces. Look closely for cracks in sharp corners. Barrels at the front lug faces and cracks on the lower lug at the rear where it joins the barrel. Cracks through link holes in the bottom lug, etc.

Good luck in your search. A USGI pistol...especially a good Colt...just has a different "feel" than any of the modern offerings. It's hard to explain and hard to understand until you put one in your hand.
 
I would buy the Colt

You will pay more for it, but I think that the 1911's produced by Colt back the were higher in quality than the others. And, yes all else being equal, the Colts will resell for more. And call me sentimental, but I just love that little Rampant Colt on the slide.
If you want a good old 1911 (not an A1), for less money than a “real” Colt, find an Argentine made 1911. They were made on Colt tooling, so they should be very close as far as spec’s go.
 
Argentines

The Argentine Colts were generally very good...with the occasional non-conforming example...but I have to disagree with the notion that the USGI Colt was a superior pistol the the later Rands. I've had a good number of both in various conditions, and the Rands on average, seem to be a slight cut above as to function and accuracy.
 
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