www.housegun.com--Joke or genius?

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OK, shotgun experts, check this out and tell me if you're buying into the Next Big Thing. I'm not feeling this. In fact, I'm pretty sure it's somebody's idea of a joke:

http://www.housegun.com/

The link is safe for work--basically, these guys claim to be manufacturing a "blunderbuss-style" barrel for common shotguns. The muzzle is said to be 3" in diameter, which is supposed to make the shot pattern spread better so that it opens up at bedroom-distances.
 
Couple things:

The problem has been sawed off shotguns are illegal. The barrel has to be eighteen inches to be legal.
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They aren't illegal in this state

That and that barrel is not the same as a sbs. The first thing I am wondering about, is the velocity. I don't see the gun powder propelling the shot for very long in that barrel, which means low velocity. I don't understand the need for a SBS for home defense either. I was able to hit dead center mass on a paper target at distances from 5 feet to around 40 feet (farthest I went out was 40 feet) with my supernova shotgun, in almost complete darkness. A wider pattern wouldn't be helpful in my opinion.
 
Picture a large old man of dignified mein squirting decaf out of his nasal passages and cackling....

Don, this has to be a joke. No obturation, no velocity.

And models made from carbon fiber? Oi Vay!!
 
maybe I have been wrong all along. I tought that the reason people wanted a super short shotgun barrel was to make it a smaller package more so than to make it spread faster.

I thought this shorter package is what gave doubles its one advantage over autos and pumps. Well, wieght and length while the others offered capacity.
 
well. the shot pattern would be similar to a SBS. wich has shown no major spread vs a 18 inch barrel in the distances you would be shooting in a house.

novel.. yes
usefull.. no
real?... probibly not
 
"Available in steel and carbon fiber."

Carbon fiber? Must be an 18-inch shroud over a 2- or 3-inch barrel.

And they sell proprietary ammo, too?

Can I get one in 28 ga.? ;)

John
 
whos the genious that came up with this idea? i'd bet a lot of psychiatrists would like to have a chat with him... its a freaking musket
 
Following the link Don provided above I checked out the web site. At first I thought it was a spoof of some type like "thebirdmans" Homey Glock night sights or the .50cal rifle made of wood.

But out of curiosity I sent an E mail to the address listed on the bottom of their web page.

Here is the response I received this AM.

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Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2006 22:03:47 -0500
Subject: RE: Info request Status: Normal
CC: From: [email protected]
Reply-to: [email protected]

We will make barrels for all popular shotguns. Remington 870 and Mossberg 500 are the most popular. The current price is $250 in steel and $450 for carbon fiber.

We call our proprietary shotgun ammunition "Shrapnel Shells". They contain various novel forms of shot designed for indoors and close quarters, such as our wire loads. We use copper wire that looks like a bundle of untwisted electrical cable in the front of the shell. It is designed to spread fast and delivers a wider spread pattern than conventional shot. We use plastic wire for a less lethal load. They are $3 each with a minimum order of 25.

If you wish to place a order; Send a check, shotgun model, and shipping info to;

DC Products
9255 Pierce St.
Westminster Co 80021


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Info request
From: "Robert H" <######>
Date: Sun, December 03, 2006 7:23 pm
To: <[email protected]>


Dear Sir or Madam,

Please send me more information about the House Gun shotgun barrels you manufacture. Specifically what models of shotguns do you make these for and what is the cost. I would also like more information about your proprietary shogun ammunition specifically made to be used with these barrels.

Sincerely,

Rob
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So it seems like this is a real product. Although it could be a scam. I think I will e mail them back and ask for a telephone contact number and contact name. I just might call and talk to them if I get a response to that.

Looking closely at the picture of the barrel, it does not look like a shroud over a standard barrel but a complete barrel that has been opened up to about 3" at the muzzle with the taper starting in front of the chamber.

While I am on the net I thought I would drop them another line.

Here is what I just e mailed them back with:

"Thank you for the prompt response. I am very intrigued by your product and would need one for a Remington 870, 12ga shotgun.

Can you provide more information about the barrel. Specifically is this a one piece tube? If so, in both carbon fiber and steel? Or is it a tapered cover (sheath) that is over a conventional shotgun barrel? Does the taper begin immediately in front of the chamber in order for the barrel to be 2-3" wide at the muzzle.

Lastly would you provide a contact phone number and name of someone I could speak with to discuss your product further?

Sincerely,

Rob H"



Regards,
Rob
 
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Well I just received a response to my above question from DC Products. The E-mail response to questions and queries at least is very fast.

I did not receive the phone contact information I requested, because the responded said in part, "I prefer to do business by email."

The following information was also received, "There is about six inches of standard bore before the taper begins on the inside. the outside starts to tapper right way"

So there you have it. Is this for real, a scam, a hoax, is it even practical, you decide. I do not know what kind of legitimate business or businessman would not have a contact phone number and someone "real" to speak with about what is clearly a new and may be a controversial shooting product. I will not be ordering one of these barrels.

Regards,
Rob
 
It is my understanding that the choke will affect shot pattern way more than length. Would this barrel actually give you a huge pattern that they claim it would
 
Since the respondent to my e mail said that there is only about 6" of standard bore. This barrel acts like a very short barrel. The shot cup will start to open up as soon as it goes past this 6" and hits the cone of the barrel.

So in essence what it seems like to me is that this person created a way to get a shot cup to start opening about 12" sooner than if shot through a standard 18" HD shotgun barrel. I would also think that MV would be greatly reduced. Do to the loads gun powder not fully burning in such a short barrel. IIRC I read somewhere that it takes about 14" of shotgun barrel for shot/slug loads to fully burn or use up their powder.

Just from a strictly aesthetic standpoint I do not like the design. It may work great, but looks goofy as heck, at least to me. I am not sure how much an 18" barrel with open choke can be improved on, in the context of pellet spread. For those that can legally own SBSs, then something along the lines of a Serbu manufactured shotgun would be a great way to get a true short barreled shotgun.

Rob
 
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They already have one thing wrong... an SBS doesn't have a Hollywood/video game style massive pattern. Actually, it patterns just like an 18, 20, 24 inch cylinder bore of any other description, 'cept you safcrifice a little velocity (which actually tightens the patern, in my experience) because of the shorter barrel.

Seems to me that thing would generate dirt for velocity. Your shot cup and shot get about four inches down there and the gap between the shot cup and the barrel is too big and all the pressure takes the path of the least resistance...

I think it would probably be better to have the barrel a plain cylinder and then have it bell out more abruptly towards the muzzle, maybe past the magazine cap so you can keep it pointing straight, too...
 
If you build it - they will buy it.

They have so much wrong in regard to shotguns for defensive use, patterns and everything else.
One reason I like like slugs - I may have to shoot and NOT hit an innocent bystander, family member, or child. One projectile allows me no stray pellets.

Yes one can miss with all them pellets. Which also means one can hit what they do not intend to hit as well with pellets.

Some folks have no business being around a gun, or in the business of firearm related stuff - until they get some kind of real world training.

I'd rather have a single shot .410 with slugs than that contraption they are Marketing...
 
Until someone actually buys one and posts better pictures & testing data, I'm gonna have to call "shenanigans!"

How do you aim this thing? How would it pattern? The expansion of the cone is not in-line with the shell chamber but tilts upwards in order to fit the stock.

Custom steel barrels for only $250 each, any model?

How would this barrel be made, thru extrusion? If it started as solid tube of steel at the chamber, how thin would the steel be at the muzzle? What about carbon fiber? This guy can shape CF?

The photo of the muzzle looks more like a plastic tube than steel.
 
You can buy their other product, however hilarious. Paypal for $300. They wouldn't last a week if they were defrauding people.

It is a really great product, but I think I'm just going to learn how to hit a target at 5 yards though, rather than buy a new barrel that will assure every expensive item I own eats a pellet or two, when the whole point of it would be their defense. I'd also go with the Xtreme Shok! ammo instead of their proprietary round, because when you have an extreme barrel, you should really be sure you're getting Xtreme performance ammunition.
 
Well since Hollywood cannot write any new material; instead releases re-makes of classics...

<Marquee>

Elmer Fudd Starring in : Be vewy vewy quiet - Hunting Wabbits :)


Mark the calendar and tab this post. Hollywood is liable to do just that, and this House Shotgun be re-badged as a Wabbit Gun.

Then I am going to laugh myself silly with all the Folks buying a Wabbit Gun set up due to a movie and Posting in Shotguns and Hunting sub forums

Note to self : contact Henry Bowman on getting a piece of this action. I can laugh myself all the way to the bank...
Heck, maybe I need to write the darn movie!
 
AND ALL THESE YEARS I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO GET MY GUMS TO SHOOT TIGHTER PATTERNS!!!!!!!!
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Say what?

Does that have something to do with spitting tobacco?
 
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