Yet again, the AR15 becomes the root cause

[harrygunner]

There's an attack on personal freedoms.

Government agencies missed the Paris attack while terrorists were coordinating with unencrypted text messages. Yet Feds and Feinstein call for backdoors in encryption.

Both the west coast and east coast attackers were known and/or interviewed by the FBI and weren't stopped. Yet, there are calls against guns.

Government uses its failures to advance its agenda.

 

[Deanimator]

How long before the AHSA fifth columnists are out in force...?

 

[majortoo]

Why?

Why was he able to buy a firearm? He was on the Watch List, whatever that means, and was also reported to abuse his wife. Can we find a better way to achieve "A well-regulated militia"?

 

[shafter]

The police officer probably saved lives by spotting him and engaging him prior to entering the club. It's to bad that probably none of the people inside were armed and could've saved more.

Do you really think a nightclub is the place for people to be armed? Some places should be gun free zones. Ideally the establishment would provide sufficient security to protect their unarmed patrons. Or, perhaps more ideally, people will be smart about where they go to have fun.

 

[jim in Anchorage]

Why was he able to buy a firearm? He was on the Watch List, whatever that means, and was also reported to abuse his wife. Can we find a better way to achieve "A well-regulated militia"?

You feel we sould suspend someones 2nd rights without due process? Just on "suspicion"?

 

[Deanimator]

Why was he able to buy a firearm? He was on the Watch List, whatever that means, and was also reported to abuse his wife. Can we find a better way to achieve "A well-regulated militia"?

WAS he on the "watch list"? WHICH one? And how do YOU know? Do you have access to it?

How do you get on the "no fly list"? How do you get OFF of it? Help a brother out.

If we're going to ban gun ownership without due process, why not voting and elective office?

If his wife didn't report his abuse and it wasn't observed by police, how would he be prohibited for it?

I knew it wouldn't be long before AHSA put in an appearance...

 

[Warp]

Why was he able to buy a firearm? He was on the Watch List, whatever that means, and was also reported to abuse his wife. Can we find a better way to achieve "A well-regulated militia"?

What was he convicted of?

Hell, what was he even charged with?

 

[Deanimator]

Or, perhaps more ideally, people will be smart about where they go to have fun.

You mean like office buildings (the WTC), Army PAC centers (Ft. Hood), marathons (Boston), and Christmas parties (San Bernardino)? Maybe you can tell us where we should go to be GUARANTEED that we WON'T be murdered by Islamic terrorists.

"You don't need a gun, the police will protect you" was proved a lie, LOOOOONG before this happened.

If you aren't willing and able to protect YOURSELF, you're just not going to get protected AT ALL. This is just one more example that proves that.

 

[flip888]

I agree with what some have already said about the club having armed security. Allowing customers to carry guns in a place where they are expected to consume alcohol and dance sounds like a bad idea to me. But having unarmed security seems like asking for this kind of thing to happen.

I hope this doesn't start a panic buy for assault rifles or ammo and drive the prices up to a prohibitive level as the retailers gauge us to try to make the absolute most money they can get their greedy hands on.

 

[pjeski]

Do you really think a nightclub is the place for people to be armed? Some places should be gun free zones. Ideally the establishment would provide sufficient security to protect their unarmed patrons. Or, perhaps more ideally, people will be smart about where they go to have fun.

What has whether or not it was a "gun free zone" got to do with whether or not there will be guns there? Clearly it being a "gun free zone" did not help in this case.

 

[jim in Anchorage]

I'm amazed whenever almost ANY thread has not been closed !!

If it's interesting it gets closed.:banghead:

 

[X-Rap]

Yea, any statements about the effectiveness of GFZ's relating to criminals and especially radicalized Islamist's is laughable.
Claiming security measures short of pat downs would be effective is also a bit naive considering the documented items that pass TSA daily.
I have my doubts that anything can stop determined actors from committing their attacks but restricting access and not turning a blind PC eye to those know to wish us harm is a start.
We can speculate on what could have stopped this attack but next time when it's at the beach or football game the circumstances will be different. What the people need to decide is at what point they want the restrictions on them to stop.

 

[Jeff H]

ISIS attacks nightclub. POTUS attacks Bill of Rights

This would make a good Meme.

Not a shred of anything truthful (as we know right now), but humorous nonetheless.

 

[Deanimator]

This would make a good Meme.

Not a shred of anything truthful (as we know right now), but humorous nonetheless.

Do you not believe that the 2nd and 5th Amendments are part of the Bill of Rights?

 

[Flynt]

I've been hearing it expressed (on another forum, and from a freind that just called) that this incident will result in a change in the mindset of the Left, back towards understanding the need for an armed citizenry.
But instead of this happening, my argument has been that the Leftists do not typically think rationally or open-mindedly enough for this shift in mindset to occur.
In all likelyhood, this is going to be seen as further "proof" that gun possesion needs to be curtailed.

I'm afraid the left will say "ban guns," while the right will say "ban Muslims." Obviously neither approach is constructive.

 

[Walkalong]

Obviously neither approach is constructive.

And with that, we're done for this time around. I feel for the victims. It's a horrible crime against humanity.