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Discussion in 'Handguns: General Discussion' started by bogie, Sep 11, 2007.

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  1. bogie

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    ...you forget it's there...

    Dang, I really like that little Kel-Tec... In the pocket, and it's lighter than my Leatherman...
     
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    I make it a point not to forget that it's there.
     
  3. ShooterMcGavin

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    Kel-tec makes several guns. To which one are you referring?
     
  4. JKimball

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    Every time you pull the trigger it goes BANG!

    I've got a P3AT that goes bang approximately 5 out of 7 times. It's nice to carry, but sometimes I feel like I'll only be able to count on the first shot. I gotta get around to sending it back for their miracle touch up cure.

    Although, I will say it has never had a problem with the hollowpoints I use. That's somewhat comforting.
     
  5. bogie

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    Well, this is one of the tiny .380s, and has performed just fine so far...

    I suggest that some folks need to consider the concept of a sense of humor.

    The mousegun next to your keychain beats the heck out of the Deagle back home in the safe...
     
  6. KBintheSLC

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    "The mousegun next to your keychain beats the heck out of the Deagle back home in the safe..."

    Agreed... as long as it works when you pull the trigger. I had a Walther PPK/S... about 99% reliable. I traded it in for a G26 and I feel much better having that extra 1% = total reliability.
     
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    My Kel tec 32 goes bang every time. Just too bad the little turd is so hard to hold onto!
     
  8. littlelefty

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    when it's with you.

    Sounds kind of obvious but I'm surprised at how many folks with permits don't carry when they "just run dow to the whatever store". Wow! They must have a crystal ball because I can't tell from home that I'm not going to need my CCW. So far I haven't, but neither has my wife needed my life insurance policy:neener:
     
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    P3AT is great.
     
  10. BikerRN

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    I'm not trying to be rude or anything, but I don't consider myself "Armed" with just a "mousegun".

    If the fecal matter ever hits the rotating thing you will discover what I'm talking about. I carry a 4" N-Frame Off-Duty and a J-Frame, both with a reload. I'm considering adding a 3" K-Frame to the mix, or a 2 1/2" N-Frame.

    I've found that people that carry "mouseguns" really don't think they will ever have to use it. Once you are "dressed around the gun" to hide a full size handgun it's easy to add a BUG or two.

    My test for any gun I carry is this question, "Would I be willing to shoot a week long Combat Course with this gun?" If the answer is no, then I don't carry it.

    Enjoy your KelTec and stay safe.

    Biker
     
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    I will! :)
     
  12. 1911 guy

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    It fits your hand, you know the manual of arms in your sleep and it's chambered in a proven caliber.

    If weight is an issue, get a better belt and holster.

    Having said all that, my daily CCW is an all steel full size 1911 with at least one reload.
     
  13. 19-3Ben

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    When you are confident in it's ability as a self-defense tool.
    You are confident in YOUR ability to use is as a self-defense tool.
    You are prepared to use it as such as a last line of defense.

    That's why my Ruger Sp101 loaded up with .357mag is a great CCW gun.
     
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    I think we tend to forget the real lessons we were taught when going through our CCW training. We are not LEO's, nor or we avenging hero's set to engage the entire criminal world in an extended firefight. We are simply citizens who are carrying a weapon to enable us to get out of harm's way. I carried a larger, more powerful weapon when I was an LEO (10 years), but now I carry just enough to get me out of the path of the criminally bent individual. Most confrontations are settled without the use of firearms, and those that are not, are generally settled in a couple of seconds with the expenditure of a couple of rounds. From past experience, I can tell you that when it is pointed in your face, a .32 looks like a cannon! You would seldom be inclined to argue with it's holder.
    I don't go into areas that are known bad areas if I can prevent it, and I don't go around looking for a situation that I, with my trusty sidearm can solve via intervention. Part of self defense is the awareness of one's surroundings and the ability to avoid unhealthy situations. I don't need a 15-shot 45 for 99% of my time. I guess I'll trade the remaining 1% for something a little more carryable...like a j-frame or a "little Kel-tec". Just my .02.
     
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    normally my S&W 3914 is my CCW,will CCW a Taurus 85 with WCC 125gr +P+'s.but sometimes that is to much "sticking out" so I'll CCW a Walther PP in 32ACP.it carries easy and hides great,but I don't wear it thinking I'm not gonna need it.my thinking is,first,don't intend to "firefight" a group of crack heads.so for the one on one,8 rounds of 32ACP JHP in the face/ head area will slow down the most pumped crack head. jwr
     
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    Shooter58, I'll take a +1 on that. the average civilian that lives and works in a relatively quiet neighborhood has different defensive needs than someone who frequent rougher neighborhoods. And an LEO is expected to intervene in situations that civilians just need to get away from.
    Some people need a baseball bat, others just need a prybar.
     
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    Shooter58 wrote: "Part of self defense is the awareness of one's surroundings and the ability to avoid unhealthy situations."

    Right on! As a CCW holder I am not an avenger or protector of all. Now that I carry regurlarly it has, if anything, made me more aware of surroundings and situations. Because this is a gun forum, we think of guns as solutions, and we forget they are but tools of last resort. Training the mind and our awareness is the key.

    You know a gun's good for CCW when....it is the one you have with you...not the one in the drawer at home.
     
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    I carry a single stack 9 and a reload , allways . When i go to a metro area i put on another ( both are normaly kahrs a p9 and a pm9 ) . Its not so much that i am rambo, as that my wife who is also former LE , and who has a ccw of her own many times does not carry when she puts on " town clothes " . By carrying two ( which is no problem ) we are both armed, and she is still quite visualy appealing to me lol .
     
  19. ShooterMcGavin

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    About the definition of "mousegun"... Are they defined by the small caliber (i.e. below 9mm) OR is it purely a function of the size of the gun??
     
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    since I believe in wadcutter45 and shooter58 school of thought I consider myself armed without a gun.
     
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    While it is true that we as armed "just folks" should not and in most cases must not deliberately head for trouble, you're deluding yourself if you think waving around your self described "mousegun" is the answer to any conflict you might face. Genuine gunfight happen, just read the local papers to find out about one near you. Sure, getting out of harms' way is the goal, but sometimes harm keeps dogging you and you have to deal with it. I believe it was Clint Smith who said "a gun should be comforting, not comfortable". I see no logic whatsoever in going to a "mousegun" when I'm perfectly capable of concealing and using a full size, full caliber handgun.
     
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    I loved my P3AT when I had it. carried it with a clip in my waistband just left of my zipper, concealed even with the shirt tucked in, was very "forgetable." Like coming to work at a military installation, getting changed only to discover you forgot you were carrying. Ooops....

    I moved to a J-frame for greater reliability even though the P3AT ran good. I didn't want to face the day when the little extractor crapped, or the recoil spring had enough, etc. Less to worry about with the 642. I love the Kel-tec though.
     
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    Ok, I'll admit it, too. I carry a P32. *








    * As a backup to my 1911.

    If it's not good enough to want to shoot a combat match of some sort with, why would it be good enough to save my life with? Heck, even if it is "good enough," I still say give me any edge I can get. Good enough sucks when your a$$ is on the line.

    ~~~Mat
     
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    "About the definition of "mousegun"... Are they defined by the small caliber (i.e. below 9mm) OR is it purely a function of the size of the gun??"

    Shooter,
    I consider any caliber below 38 SPL/9MM to be a "mousegun" caliber, no matter the size of the weapon. As far as "mousegun" and weapon size, it's like pornography, I can't define it but I know it when I see it.
    To me, the Kahr PM9 borders on "mousegun" and I own one. I try not to carry it, unless it's as a third gun.
    Off-Duty I carry an N-Frame and a J-Frame with a reload for each gun. I'm considering adding another J-Frame to the mix without another reload, or an N-Frame Snubbie without a reload.

    Biker
     
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    when it is a

    sig 239, 229. or 226
     
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